Okay. Show me a place with more opportunity, personal freedoms, and overall quality of living better than America, and give the power to the people.

Second of all...I wonder...would you feel comfortable, personally, Anton, if someone who declares themself your enemy, and has a gun, and is a maniac and mentally unsound is just freely running about. Oh, and he's killing other people while we're waiting.

I didn't know having an army is "bad," if that is so...Britain, China, et all are all other nasty people.

Rather smart to defend your country by building a military, eh?

Or do you suggest us throwing down all our arms and hoping they leave us alone?

Total unacceptance? We've got socialists, anarchists, catholics, nazi's, jews, muslims, EVERY race, creed, color and nationality of people living freely in America, free to assemble, free to protest, free to live their lives.

Our justice? Yeah, our justice system isn't perfect, far from it. But name something better. The Hague? Yeah. Let me get back up from falling off my chair in laughter.

I won't kid myself...our President is pushing for cleaner coal and hydrogen cell technology plus he DOESN'T own a lumber company)...so he's anti-environment for pulling out of the politically red-taped Kyoto treated? Oops.

The power hungry dictator was a genocidal maniac.

What has New Zealand, or anybody else for that matter, done to stop that?

What is NZ's record on human rights, Anton?
Bullshit. Where are they in Sudan?

As opposed to who? Putin? Controlling Russia, who LOSES more nukes than it controls.

Name how Bush, who until 9/11, hadn't sent troops into action. Yet, Clinton, who I'm sure you idolize, sent troops to Bosnia, etc. But after all, there was a problem in that area, right?

Where was NZ in Bosnia, anyways?

I feel sorry for you then.

And America is bad, why?

As long as you're being sarcastic, why not piss on Einstein's grave, since he did split the atom. :rolleyes:

Explain.

Goes to show you how fucked up some parts of the international community is, imho.

So explain to me what happens if Kim Jung Il drops a nuke on, oh, say, South Korea?

Should we solve it diplomatically?

Again, I enjoy liberal irresponsibility.

Neither of our candidates are spectacular.

Bush lost jobs.

Woohoo, decline started before he came into office, and then 9/11 happened.

Worst deficit? We're at war...not the whole problem, but still.

You seem to be the one taking cheap shots.

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Nobody ever said they would, but keeping Bush certainly isn't going to help. It's time for change. We gave Bush 4 years.

I think it's funny how pro-Bush people blame 9/11 for some of the bad things going on right now. Does anyone remember Pearl Harbor? That certainly didn't make FDR lose 1.6 million jobs and weaken our economy worse then any President ever has. Hell, Pearl Harbor happened while we were still feeling the results of the Great Depression. -Pat

Point 1: I thought, according to democrats, we never elected Bush?

Point 2: I wasn't born during Pearl Harbor, but your point it moot (or mute? I can never remember.)

THE NATION WAS ALREADY IN DEPRESSION, JUST LIKE EUROPE. It's kinda hard to lose jobs considering many people were already in poverty and jobless.

Point 3: What happened after Pearl Harbor? FDR went to war, utilizing the jobs created as well as revolutionary social programs to pull the country out of depression.

What happened after 9/11? Bush went to war, cut taxes to promote jobs, passed legislation to improve education, and has pulled the country out of recession.

Bad Bush, bad!

Considering I'm not a Democrat, I don't know what point that comment serves.

It's probably mute because I was replying to FS, not you.

FDR went into a war that had only 4 years left. FDR went into a war already well under way. FDR went into a war that we had every right to go into. What programs has Bush made?

Let me make it more clear to you on what happened after 9/11. Bush contradicted his whole administration and said Saddam was a threat after they had all said he wasn't. Bush cut taxes to give his buddies more money. Hell, he extended the tax cut the other day for people making more then $200,000. He has pulled the country out of recession?! 1.6 million jobs lost. Jobs in America are being lost and given to people overseas who are paid 1/4 of the salary a worker in America would make. He has the largest deficit in history. If this is getting us out of a recession, I'd hate to see what getting into a recession would be like. -Pat

Patrick if you are not a democrat then what are you?

Hey Pat, So you think those are cheap shots hu? shots against who by the way?

I'll tell you what. Lets the two of us make a deal right now, right this min. If Kerry wins I will leave this board forever and not post again.
If Bush wins you take your sorry ass out of here and never post again. And I don't mean under another sorry ass name either. How about it?

Put up or shut up. Let us make this election REALLY mean something.
What do you say? MOORE Enough? sorry I mean Man enough.

(sorry I don't want you to start crying that we are giving you shit about your favorite Mascot)

Liberal Independent

Yes.


What is wrong with you? Seriously? That's so childish. Neither one of us are leaving these boards.

Unbelievable.

Liberal Independent [/b][/quote]Wasn't it only a few months ago your title read "Liberal Democrat"?

Liberal Independent [/b][/quote]Wasn't it only a few months ago your title read "Liberal Democrat"? [/b][/quote]A few months ago. Why yes, yes it was.

Just like your mascot you don't answer or cut the question down. Cheap shot against who?

YOU can't wipe the challenge away that easy.
and if you don't put up, then shut up!
The bet still stands. Man to man. I mean what I say, how about you?

FS--Stop being such a drama queen. You said morons. What do you mean a cheap shot against who? You're referring to people who don't agree with you political status as morons. -Pat

FS being overly dramatic?? Impossible. :p

No, that is were you show your small, narrow mind. The only drama queen is you, Your self proclaim titles and your choice of advatars.

There are many people who have different views and I would not call them a morons for that reason. It is you, who thinks that those with the opposite views must be called morons.

Then there are the true Morons. I am starting to understand which group you seem to think that you fit into.
You flap your gums but will not take my proposal.

I have caught myself doing what I said I would not do. Wasting my time talking with someone who whines like a child, And can't put up and will not shut up. I will do the next best thing and ignore you.

Considering I'm not a Democrat, I don't know what point that comment serves.

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Point 2: I wasn't born during Pearl Harbor, but your point it moot (or mute? I can never remember.)

It's probably mute because I was replying to FS, not you.

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Point 3: What happened after Pearl Harbor? FDR went to war, utilizing the jobs created as well as revolutionary social programs to pull the country out of depression.

FDR went into a war that had only 4 years left. FDR went into a war already well under way. FDR went into a war that we had every right to go into. What programs has Bush made?

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What happened after 9/11? Bush went to war, cut taxes to promote jobs, passed legislation to improve education, and has pulled the country out of recession.

Let me make it more clear to you on what happened after 9/11. Bush contradicted his whole administration and said Saddam was a threat after they had all said he wasn't. Bush cut taxes to give his buddies more money. Hell, he extended the tax cut the other day for people making more then $200,000. He has pulled the country out of recession?! 1.6 million jobs lost. Jobs in America are being lost and given to people overseas who are paid 1/4 of the salary a worker in America would make. He has the largest deficit in history. If this is getting us out of a recession, I'd hate to see what getting into a recession would be like. -Pat [/quote]Point 1: I thought all Bush haters claimed he was never elected in the first place, and they should "re-defeat him" in 2004?

Point 2: It doesn't matter who the point is directed to.

Point 3: 4 years left? Where did you conjure that number up? The war was well under way, and the free world was losing, in part because they stood up to Hitler too little, too late.

FDR had every right to go into war? Why? According to some intelligence, he "knew" PH was going to be attacked. He misled us into war!?!

Subpoint #1: Dept. of Homeland Security & Patriot Act.

Point #4: Duh! What should we have done after 9/11? Just sat back and said, "boy, they really don't like us much. Maybe we should be extra special nice to them."

Who said he wasn't a threat?

Yeah. Since we all know cutting taxes DOESN'T promote an economy.

And Bush is to blame for what? That people are scared to fly on airplanes, and the airlines are in the shitter? That the tech-bubble burst? That the country was already declining in 2000 before he took office? That we suffered the worst terrorist attack in US history?

I forgot. Despite all this, he should have had record economic growth. Damn, liberals...err, excuse me, independants...are so smart.

This is true, but 9/11, and the Iraq War, contribute greatly.

See the end of the Clinton Administration, circa 2000.

Search also: Tech Bubble Burst, Clinton refuses Osama, and Clinton acknowledges Saddam is a threat.

Subpoint #2: His buddies? What? Halliburton? Yes, they are a defense contractor. And you would doubt that Cheney, the former CEO, would show preference in dealing contracts out to them?

I'd like to see what other "buddies" you come up with. Maybe the guys who cut down the forests for GWB's lumber company???