Originally Posted By: afsaneh77
Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Too bad the Democratic Congress from 2006 to 2010 didn't do nothing. Instead it did a lot of damage.

Your assertions about abortion and Obamacare are pretty laughable. First, legislating against abortion isn't legislating against personal responsibility. If there was personal responsibility involved it would have happened before the child was conceived. The legislation is about protecting a defenseless human being. By your logic if a mother kills her 7-year-old that shouldn't be a crime either. She took the personal responsibility of terminating a life that she could not care for.

UnAffordable Healthcare Act making people responsible for their own healthcare? R u serious? It makes people purchase healthcare at ever-increasing costs under the threat of massive fines and prison. It takes away free market competition and adds new taxes on medical devices while increasing overall costs. Many insurers are now leaving states where there are exchanges because they can't survive without making any profit. Doctors are quitting in numbers higher than ever before. Worst of all, employers are taking full-time employees and making them part-timers at 29 1/2 hours a week, making Americans poorer. For those who are still full-time the employee contribution is increasing.

Obamacare isn't responsibility, it's European-style socialism, and bad one at that. It increases waiting times before appointments and turns the IRS into the enforcing agency. You really want the IRS knowing all your healthcare information and making life and death decisions? I don't.


I don't remember that congress ever shutting down Bush administration. If they did any damage, it was by standing aside and let the Bush administration start two wars without paying for them.

Now as for abortion, a 7 year old can live on his own. His or her needs can be met by anyone. You cannot be saddled with a 7 year old against your will. Otherwise, that would pretty much be slavery.

As for ACA, and how affordable it is, the price of buying healthcare in California is dropping, since the companies have to compete now to lower their prices. It doesn't take away free market at all, on the contrary. I suppose it depends if governors want to implement it as they should or not. And it's your personal responsibility not to be a burden when you get sick.


Then read some history on the Reid-Pelosi Congress during the last two years of the Bush presidency. They undermined and fought with everything he did, including trying to rein in the housing crisis in 2006 and 2007. As for those wars, it was ONE war, the war on terror, and almost all the Democrats voted for it, included Clinton and Kerry. It must be convenient to forget recent history when it doesn't support our arguments.

So living on their own is your criteria? Then I guess everyone in hospitals and nursing homes should be killed since they need help and can't live on their own. For that matter, babies and young children can't live on their own either, so I guess it's okay to kill them too. It's funny how Democrats use the same or similar arguments for abortion that were used to support slavery almost 200 years ago. Some things never change.

Where do you get your facts on the ACA? I work in health care in California and your claims have no connection to reality. Costs are going up, choice is going down, waiting times are increasing as is unemployment and underemployment. You got to turn off MSNBC once in a while and read the papers. Even the Los Angeles Times has covered these stories.