Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Louiebynochi
30 years ago

The gambino family was the largest family.
The gambinos were stronger in garbage due to Bernie Adelstein, and local 813 and there control in queens, manhattan, Bronx and long island through jimmy brown.
They were number 1 in concrete through halloran, Sasso and 282.
The gambinos were stronger in porn through DB.
The gambinos were stronger in the garment center.
They were stronger in illegal narcotics


The Genovese were stronger in the laborers.
The Genovese were stronger in the carpenters.
The Genovese were strongest in the iron workers.
They were stronger in the roofers.
They were stronger in new jersey.
They were stronger in Connecticut and Springfield.
They Were stronger in the javits center.
They were stronger at the Fulton fish market.
They were stronger in the longshoremen and on the piers.
They were stronger in Florida through the ILA.
They were stronger in the mason tenders through jimmy messera.
They were stronger in gasoline.
They were stronger in the windows replacement scheme.
They were the stronger nationally.
They were the only family to have a messagario in they're administration to be the liaison to Chicago.



You do the math



I think the Gambino and Genovese families were pretty equal in garbage. They split the 5 NYC boroughs. The Gambinos had a presence on Long Island, though that was mainly the Luccheses turf. The Genovese had more of a presence in Westchester, Southwest Connecticut, and New Jersey. True, the Gambinos had IBT Local 813 but the Genovese family had 2 of the garbage associations like the Gambinos did.

The Gambinos certainly were always deeper into the drug and sex trade rackets. The Gambinos also had a piece of JFK. The Genovese always specialized more in labor rackets, which is one reason they've always been considered more sophisticated.

Originally Posted By: StLguy
Didn't part of the Gambino's power in the garment sector and elsewhere during Carlo's reign come from an alliance with the Lucchese family that started when his and Lucchese's kids got married?


Yes.

Originally Posted By: StLguy
Also, didn't the Genovese family have to approve the heads of some smaller families like the Patriarca family? Did the Gambino's have any such influence? I know that Gambino and Angelo Bruno were supposed to be close, but did they have the same kind of arrangement? And how much influence did the Gambino's have in Philadelphia before and after Bruno and Gambino were around? Wasn't Scarfo favored by the Genovese, or is that an oversimplification promoted by some mob documentaries?


The Genovese family traditionally represented the Buffalo, New England, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Detroit families on the Commission. They backed Todaro for boss in Buffalo, Bianco for boss in Boston, and Scarfo for boss in Philadelphia (due much to his ties to Bobby Manna). The Gambinos did also have strong ties to the New England, New Jersey, and Philadelphia families though.



From the 1940s until 1996 the gambinos were the top family in garbage in NYC and they split 50k a month with the luchese family on Long Island. The 2 Jimmy's were there respective generations most powerful garbage gangsters.
Robert Lucchese and Tommy gambino owned a couple companies together but tommy owned separate trucking companies in NY and NJ. The Gallos, Joe Gallo Sr and Jr were players in the garment center.
As far as JFK both families had guys that had truckers on record with wiseguys in both families. Guys like Tony Lee Guerrerri and Peter Defeo.

From the 50s until the 70s Philly was with the gambinos and even when for about 10yrs when scarfo was boss and they were under manna and the chin, guys like gravano and Nicky Russo and tony proto were close to Philly. Stanfa was backed by John gambino,cefalu,mannino etc etc

As far as actual made guys in the family , I beleive from the beginning until the late 60s the Genovese had more members and gambinos had more associates.
I guess in Carlos time the family expanded were once Vito Genovese went to jail, the weside was much more cautious in making people. And it was during this Time period which lasted maybe 20 or so years , the gambinos had actually had more made members than the Genovese family.

Last edited by Louiebynochi; 09/02/13 11:53 PM.

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