There's a lot of ignorance and hatred on display here but that's not surprising.

OK, it's time to step in and say something.

To BOTH SIDES here: It's obvious that both sides in this thread are passionate about their stance. It's also obvious now that neither side will bend an inch. I suppose that is inevitable when arguing on the internet. What is not right is, at least for this message board, that both sides have stepped down and started making totally stupid and rude personal comments that have no place in a grownup debate. I don't care who started it but it must stop here and now. Stick to the merits of your argument without making nasty remarks about your opponent and his/her views. We're better than that.

Consider this is a warning to EVERYONE, regardless of your views on this or any other subject.

Besides, if all this masturbatory stuff keeps on everyone will go blind.

Besides, if all this masturbatory stuff keeps on everyone will go blind.

Man, if that's true I'm Ray Charles for the past forty years.

D'oh. Hit the road, Jack.

There's a lot of ignorance and hatred on display here but that's not surprising. It is rather darkly humorous to see people mutter about black people's double standards or glorification of crime on an internet board that is dedicated in part to investigating and documenting white people's multigenerational crime organizations but so be it.

Hardcore conservatives do tend to be racist. That won't change. It's who they are and what they do. Nonetheless there are some memes that have been put out there that ought to be revealed as fallacious.

Hardcore left-wingers do tend to be racist. That won't change. It's who they are and what they do. Nonetheless there are some memes that have been put out there that ought to be revealed as fallacious.

1) All or most people on the political right are racist. This is not only false but its slanderous because it is so false. Since many people on the American right are Republicans (I'm an independent), let's look at the history of the Republican Party compared to the Democratic Party. The Republican Party was originally considered an antislavery party and it became the party of equality. The first African American to run for president was a Republican (Frederick Douglas); it was the party of anti-segregation and anti-lynching. The Democratic Party was really founded by Andrew Jackson, a hardcore racist who tried to commit genocide against Native Americans in the Trail of Tears. They defended slavery and when that was defeated they created segregation and the denial of voting rights. The KKK was considered the terrorist wing of the Democratic Party. Until the first Civil Rights bill was passed under Republican President Eisenhower the Democrats continued to defeat federal anti-lynching bills. It paved the way for the second Civil Rights Act under Democratic President Johnson, which was passed with a higher majority of Republicans than Democrats.

By the late 1960s the far Left started to take over the Democratic Party and is now ideologically more of democratic socialist party. Republicans still support equality and free market economics, but because they don't support far Left-wing ideas race-baiters in the Democratic Party call any disagreement with their beliefs racist when they are not. It is in the words of Democratic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, "defining deviancy down." The real racists, such as the Aryan Brotherhood and the Nation of Islam, are included with non-racists. It's a straw-man argument used by the Left to avoid honest debate.

2) Conservatives only watch Fox News. In reality many conservatives DO watch Fox News, but that's NOT because Fox is biased toward conservatism, it is because the other networks marginalize and exclude non Left-wing points of view. Conservatives also read left-wing papers such as the New York Times and Washington Post (without necessarily agreeing with them). The AP and Reuters are also commonly read. They are also plenty biased to the Left.

So why did Zimmerman think it was wise to show up at the manufaturer who made his gun?

because he's sick and thought it would be funny

he'll probably end up murdered

One of the things I take issue with is the label of "liberal." Liberal implies being tolerant and reasonable. That's simply not the case. Kennedy Democrats were liberals (to a certain extent). The Carter and Clinton administrations weren't liberal. They were left-wing. Intolerant and unreasonable. The Obama administration is far-left. It's the Clinton administration on steroids.

Some of the same political tools have existed in the Democratic Party since it was the party of slavery, segregation and lynching. Those include straw man arguments.

One popular meme is that Bush gave us the worst economy since the Great Depression. Simply not true. There was a recession at the beginning of the George W. Bush administration that came about from Bill Clinton's policies that some have called the Clinton recession, then there was the 9/11 hit which briefly devastated the economy, but then it rose up. The economy was doing fairly well until 2006 when the Democrats took over both houses. Neither Reid nor Pelosi cooperated with Bush and both refused to cut any spending or try to pass any budgets. The economy was worse during those last two years.

Part of the reason for the bad economy -- the major reason -- was the housing crisis, which has never really ended. It was created as a result of changes to the CRA made under Clinton. It had a devastating effect that was worse than 9/11. The Clinton admin. regularly made accusations that lenders engaged in redlining when study after study showed that it wasn't true. Treasury Dept. staffers sometimes paid visits to banks and mortgage companies and forced them to override denied loans. Lenders that did more lending were given special favors. All of this combined to create the housing bubble which artificially created a higher demand and higher prices for homes.

Bush also pushed for home ownership, but he also tried to rein in the FHA. Not a single Democrat supported him, some even called him racist because the head of the FHA was a black man. So the Democrats can take at least 80% of the blame (I say it's closer to 90%) for creating the policies that caused the housing crisis, which officially started in November 2005.

That led to the credit crisis, because the loans were backed by insurance policies that couldn't be covered. It led to collapse after collapse of lenders, both mortgage companies and banks. Retirees lost investments and savings, and employees lost their jobs. Congress went after lenders while ignoring their own role in creating and supporting the crisis.

When Obama ran he went after Bush with the support of the left-wing media who started worshiping Obama after Oprah said she was supporting him. McCain wasn't a good candidate to begin with and made a number of screw ups. The media suddenly turned on his VP candidate while ignoring the mental flatulence of the socially retarded Joe Biden. The same Joe Biden who a short time earlier remarked that Obama was unique among black men for being "articulate" and "clean" (if he wasn't a Democrat on Obama's team Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be marching against him). Most Democratic voters who got their news from ABC, NBC and CBS (with additional support from NPR, PBS, CNN, MSNBC and MTV) only saw and heard great things about Obama, turning him into the new Messiah. There was nothing critical and nothing investigative on Obama and Biden, while there was little or nothing positive on McCain and Palin.

The left-wing comedy channel pseudo-comedians were more like delegates, avoiding jokes at their expense while continuously roasting McCain and Palin. The mean-spirited Seth MacFarlane even went so far to mock Palin's son who has Down's Syndrome -- something that would be considered unthinkable before that. Unions did everything they could to push voting for Obama/Biden while railing against business interests from supporting McCain/Palin (although many big businesses in fact supported Obama). With almost every TV channel supporting Obama they repeatedly whined about the two channels (Fox News and Fox Business) that did not. Such hypocrisy has never been on display in all of American history.

No, these are the mean-spirited, hate-mongering, race-baiting (and even racist) far-left that has little in common with liberalism.

because he's sick and thought it would be funny

he'll probably end up murdered