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Is Michael franzese italian? #735432
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Michael franzese was adopted so is he italian? I consider him italian either way because he was raised that one and its in his blood.

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Would you consider Snooki to be Italian, even though that troll was adopted from Colombia? Or Hayden in the Godfather? If it's not in their DNA and blood line then they are not Italian.

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I'm not sure what the deal with Michael Franzese's ethnicity is. But if he's not born to italian parents then to me he's not italian and i don't care who adopted him. I never read his book, does he mention his birth parents at all? Did Sonny and his wife know them? I have a feeling Sonny vouched for him and said he had italian birth parents. But i don't know that as a fact. Anyone?

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I'm pretty sure he's deffinitly Sonnys wife's child, the dispute is to whether his father was her first husband last name Grillo(I think), or Franzese himself who she was allegedly already seeing at the time of his conception, either way he's Italian he's just not necessarily Sonny's son,somebody correct me If im wrong

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So Tina Franzese is Michaels birth mom? Huh, i never knew the deal with his biological parents but it very well could be true. Makes sense.

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Yeah I think so, I remember reading it somewhere or hearing it in one of his tv shows

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First of all, he was not adopted. After first marriage, his mother got custody and married Sonny, his stepfather. As TonyBoy wrote, his bio father's last name was Grillo. It's all mentioned in his book Blood Covenant, an excellent read.

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Thanks ht2 I will def be reading that. Interesting character to say the least.

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Originally Posted By: ht2
First of all, he was not adopted. After first marriage, his mother got custody and married Sonny, his stepfather. As TonyBoy wrote, his bio father's last name was Grillo. It's all mentioned in his book Blood Covenant, an excellent read.


Thanks, well i guess that explains it. Was Grillo a mob guy or a civilian? Michael in the interviews i've seen always calls Sonny his father, like he has no contact with his biological father. Maybe Sonny got rid of him. lol

I bet Sonny at this point wishes the other son John Jr wasn't his kid, what a low life that guy is. Has he surfaced since ratting on Sonny that last time?

Never read any of Franzese's books, i probably should check out that one book of his. I always wondered if he bought his way out of the mob. Thanks again....you too Tony.

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Michael franzese is sonny real son
Not adopted but real
He later found out after the book cause him and the father speak every week
Sonny is his real biological father


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Re: Is Michael franzese italian? [Re: Revis_Knicks] #735526
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I just saw a 2 hour special on the H2 History Channel called; "The Definitive Guide to The Mob". It was pretty much all Michael Franzese and a couple of other guys detailing many things about La Cosa Nostra. Any way, I don't know if Franzese is adopted or not but they showed his father's wedding photo and the bride looked like a 1950's movie star. She was a drop dead gorgeous Italian looking brunette. The narrator described the photo as "Michael's parents on their wedding day..."



Edit: I found the pic from the documentary.

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Mark i didn't see the show but i think i know the picture your talking about. It was Tina and Sonny Franzese.

EDIT : Yup, that the one. ^^^

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Giancarlo - I just looked up the pic again and she is indeed identified as Tina.

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Originally Posted By: Mark
Giancarlo - I just looked up the pic again and she is indeed identified as Tina.

Thanks Mark.

I read she passed away last year, Sonny is going to outlive all of them.

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Can you just imagine the stories this guy could tell? Wow...

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Mark how you been buddy?

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"He's 88, not 90," he told Gang Land, before adding a punch line based on the fact that while growing up, he believed he was Franzese's stepson, and learned only after writing a book about his life that Sonny Franzese was his biological father."

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/godfather-betrayed-by-his-namesake-part-ii/54689/


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Mark how you been buddy?


Good, SG. Thanks... how's it going in your neighborhood? Sorry, I just saw this today. smile

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He would have to be Italian for them to allow him to be made. I would think that the Columbo leadership would know his true background as well as anyone.

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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
I'm not sure what the deal with Michael Franzese's ethnicity is. But if he's not born to italian parents then to me he's not italian and i don't care who adopted him. I never read his book, does he mention his birth parents at all? Did Sonny and his wife know them? I have a feeling Sonny vouched for him and said he had italian birth parents. But i don't know that as a fact. Anyone?


Personally I disagree. If I adopted a kid and he was with me since infancy I would consider him to be whatever I was and my wife was. Because that's the way he grew up. That's all he knows. And at the end of the day, when people look at the last name they say "He's italian". And when his grand kids and great grand kids want to look up their ancenstry they're going to look up the last name and its going to trace back to Italy. Not Ireland or Germany or anything like that, but Italy. Snooki and all the jersey shore people are a disgrace to Italians. But you should ask her what she considers herself. It's not up to me or anyone else to decide what she is.

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There's so many italian americans who have no sense of being italian these days though, that's for sure. They probably don't even eat pasta anymore.

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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
Would you consider Snooki to be Italian, even though that troll was adopted from Colombia? Or Hayden in the Godfather? If it's not in their DNA and blood line then they are not Italian.


I answered the Snooki question. But you mean Hagen??? If so then no because he wasn't with them since infancy or anything. He was a boy when he was taken in. And he was never adopted so those weren't legally his parents.

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I saw somewhere onlin it said he was adopted. And someone on another thread said so too.

EDIT: I guess he wasn't adopted then after all

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Originally Posted By: Revis_Island
Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
I'm not sure what the deal with Michael Franzese's ethnicity is. But if he's not born to italian parents then to me he's not italian and i don't care who adopted him. I never read his book, does he mention his birth parents at all? Did Sonny and his wife know them? I have a feeling Sonny vouched for him and said he had italian birth parents. But i don't know that as a fact. Anyone?


Personally I disagree. If I adopted a kid and he was with me since infancy I would consider him to be whatever I was and my wife was. Because that's the way he grew up. That's all he knows. And at the end of the day, when people look at the last name they say "He's italian". And when his grand kids and great grand kids want to look up their ancenstry they're going to look up the last name and its going to trace back to Italy. Not Ireland or Germany or anything like that, but Italy. Snooki and all the jersey shore people are a disgrace to Italians. But you should ask her what she considers herself. It's not up to me or anyone else to decide what she is.


This topic came up in another thread. And you are right, it's not up to you. It's up to DNA. An Italian family can raise an adopted kid from birth, and he can be totally immersed in the culture, but that doesn't make him Italian or give him Italian blood.


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It was brought up here first. And like I said in the other thread. I think you're way off and I disagree. And I don't think you have the right to tell someone what they are. A DNA test doesn't go back to the beginning of time. So that can't trace your ancestory back 100%. If the kid says that's what he considers himself you can't get mad at him and tell him no because his mind is made up already.That's just the way God wanted it.

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Originally Posted By: Revis_Island
It was brought up here first. And like I said in the other thread. I think you're way off and I disagree. And I don't think you have the right to tell someone what they are. A DNA test doesn't go back to the beginning of time. So that can't trace your ancestory back 100%.


Have to agree with your sentiment on this. A DNA test can tell you who your parents are, but to go beyond this it gets pretty idiotic, especially when you consider migrations and the fact that Italians and many other europeans are far from homogeneous.

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^Agreed. Great input btw. A lot of people don't know that.

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If you're born in the US, you're american, first of all, no matter what culture you identify with. If you want to trace your roots, you need to start with your birth parents.

If an african baby is with a chinese foster family from birth, they're chinese? Next they're with a german foster family and now they're german? "Oh please let a russian family take me in next, I've always wanted to be russian!!" rolleyes


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Originally Posted By: carmela
If you're born in the US, you're american, first of all, no matter what culture you identify with. If you want to trace your roots, you need to start with your birth parents.

If an african baby is with a chinese foster family from birth, they're chinese? Next they're with a german foster family and now they're german? "Oh please let a russian family take me in next, I've always wanted to be russian!!" rolleyes



I'm caemine and I'm from Sicily. Caccamo born amd raised. Carmela where ae you from on the is lsland.


My name is caemine not carmine.

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Originally Posted By: carmela
If you're born in the US, you're american, first of all, no matter what culture you identify with. If you want to trace your roots, you need to start with your birth parents.

If an african baby is with a chinese foster family from birth, they're chinese? Next they're with a german foster family and now they're german? "Oh please let a russian family take me in next, I've always wanted to be russian!!" rolleyes



Well he is always bouncing around he's not with one family his whole life. If that same baby was with the Chinese family since birth and he's been with them his whole life and that's all he knows then that's what he is. He doesn't know anything about being African. Only Chinese. He has no sense of being African. He only has a sense and pride in being Chinese. You can't really judge unless you've been in that position though. He would consider himself Chinese. Like I said, in the end me and you probably aren't even italian because its not like our ancestors actually started in Italy.

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