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Re: The Outfit of yesterfar is dead and wont come back
[Re: IvyLeague]
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08/15/13 12:30 AM
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Number 1 he has a history of doing this. Why then would you assume he works for the local, since he's a made member, what is his purpose of working there???
Also the people that hired him must be in. Bed with the mob.
One simple background check or google search would bring up his history??
Anyone in the field of labor that deals with him on a regular basis has to know him and what he is and what he represents.How could anyone in labor in Chicago not know about his expulsion from the laborers an obviously they deal with him because the mob in the unions is a fact of life in Chicago, even today
Also don't tell me he's retired or retreated. He's mentioned in the news and court papers and was said to be a capo in Scott burnsteins family affair book.
I know if I was a "legit union treasure" I would sue the shit outta him for libel and slander unless of course I can't because whats been said and written and alleged is true.
The same goes for the banks family and jimmy deleo. I know if I was a "legitament" politician like those guys and not controlled by the mob then I would sue the shit outta John kass and the tribune and the FBI, unless of course I can't because what was written and alleged and stated by a fucking FBI agent is factually correct
Again don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's 1983, I know it's 2013. I'm just saying they have more labor union and political connections than you give them cedit for. Even if we assume Matassa is doing everything you say, that's one small, financially struggling local. And apparently he's not doing enough to even warrant an indictment. And people can mention what few names they have, such as DeLeo, but the connections and whatever benefit the Outfit receives is often unclear. The connection to, and benefit from, Betty Loren Maltese was clear because there was an indictment; like Greylord and Gambat previously. Now, it seems were left with mostly vague connections and speculation more than anything. Fact is, they are a toothless tiger.
That essentially is what all these conversations are about.
And the bottom line is these days "The Outit" is about as formidable as a legitimate mid size business. No more, no less.
Back in the early 2000s the feds estimated the entire Outfit annual take at $200 million, which was almost certainly inflated.
These days it's far less. Which puts it squarely in the "small business" category.
They don't kill people and they have greatly, greatly diminished political connections.
Essentially it's over. I think it was $100 million. But even that was a faulty figure. One journalist gleaned it from another article, which was about the Outfit's video poker operations, and claimed it was the Outfit's total annual income. But the $100 million a year from video poker was based on the estimate of the Outfit having 1,000 machines (where did they get that?), each of which took in $100,000 a year. Even if you average out the take from each machine, they apparently didn't take into account the standard 50/50 split with the business where the machines are placed. Anyway, I wouldn't go as far as to say "It's all over." It's still a viable family, albeit more like the other small remaining families outside New York. And we have seen guys still get killed now and again (Jarrett, Chiaramonti, and Zizzo). So the FBI saying that deleo and banks are mobbed up is speculation and vague rumor?? They said it in plain English Why did these people not sue the Feds and the tribune, if it wasn't true Frank Calabrese said deleo is mobbed up, frank Calabrese has been proven in a court of law to be a reliable witness
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Re: The Outfit of yesterfar is dead and wont come back
[Re: jonnynonos]
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08/15/13 11:41 PM
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The $200 million figure I remember from Binder's book; I'd have to go back and check. I could be wrong. But that is interesting on how they came up with that... I know Fosco thought it was very inflated too, for what that's worth.
In terms of the murders and the question "if they still kill" look at it this way. It's estimated that since its founding the Outfit has been responsible for 3,000 murders. So if you broke it down between, say, 1920-1990, that's about 43 murders per year.
These days they haven't even committed a (known) murder since 2007.
In other words if you plotted it out on a chart it would something like the slope of Mt. Everest, and practically speaking we are at the bottom.
If it was a heartbeat the doctors would say "turn off the machine."
I'm not saying "it's over," as there are still guys out there making money.
But it's damn close. Yeah, the writing is on the wall, just as it is for the other small families remaining outside New York.
Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
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Re: The Outfit of yesterfar is dead and wont come back
[Re: Mmalioni]
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08/16/13 02:55 AM
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There are three possible Outfit murders since 2009. The two Italian men on the Northside...I believe one has disappeared and the other was found dead. The third would be the restaurant owner whose house was set on fire in Lake County.
Whether these 3 were Outfit murders probably won't be known for 10-20 years.
The family is weakened, but still around. Several threads have been posted, but a made guy Carparelli and his crew were taken down. They were extorting businesses all over the country. There are three possible alien landings since 2009. That ANP stuff is wild conjecture.
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Re: The Outfit of yesterfar is dead and wont come back
[Re: HuronSocialAthletic]
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08/16/13 10:37 AM
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How Are those three hits "wild conjecture" though? Research them, all signs point to the Cicero people. You really think at this point in his life DiFronzo is going to risk everything by having a pill pusher bludgeoned to death. You think after avoiding the drug trade, which they could have easily controlled completely, for 50 years he suddenly decides that he's going to turn his back on that policy so the doctor can kick up some cash from illegal pills to him every month? Oh, then when they do decide to kill the guys, they make one disappear, then beat the other one to death.
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Re: The Outfit of yesterfar is dead and wont come back
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08/16/13 11:30 AM
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Re: The Outfit of yesterfar is dead and wont come back
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08/16/13 11:37 AM
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Yes but street activity like that immediately gets directed/redirected to the south side. Fosco is clueless, it has nothing to do with Elmwood Park. One time Fosco said something interesting that had an air of truth to it. He said someone went to Joey Andriacchi with a beef over something related to the street. Because it was a street thing, Joey A directed the guys with the beef to Monteleone to arbitrate because he wanted no part of it, and DiFronzo wanted no part of it. Monteleone had the #2 spot and the time, and he made a ruling and settled the matter. So the issue had been redirected “down south” as they say.
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Re: The Outfit of yesterfar is dead and wont come back
[Re: jonnynonos]
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08/16/13 04:29 PM
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That may be so, but difronzo wasn't, And any heavy work that took place has absolutely nothing to do with him. Wouldn't be surprised if He didn't even care to hear about it. Well, what are your reasons for thinking it has anything to do with Cicero. Huron is right. In all likelihood the DeFillipis murder and Catalano disappearance had NOTHING to do with DiFronzo and EVERYTHING to do with Cicero.
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Re: The Outfit of yesterfar is dead and wont come
[Re: IvyLeague]
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08/16/13 04:41 PM
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"Which they could have easily controlled completely". How do you figure? The Outfit never opposed or avoided the drug trade, they welcomed it with open arms, and still do. The evidence (or lack thereof) over the past several years shows the Outfit has little involvement in drugs today. What's involvement? I'm talking selling some coke/heroin/pills/etc here & There. The point was, they've never been opposed to it. Some bosses weren't a fan of it, but nevertheless, the myth that the Outfit was anti drugs is a myth.
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