Frazier was pretty small for a heavyweight. He took alot of punches just to give one of his. It took it's toll on him. But him and Ali put on 3 real good fights in my opinion.

with the exception of very few it seems most Chicago posters are fanboys those who are not you know who you are.

I just don't think Frazier belongs anywhere near names like Louis, Holmes, Ali, etc. His record & skillset just weren't on that level.

Nah buddy, Frazier was the man top 5 heavyweights easy, who did what he did better than him. A decent amount of my favorite fights involved him.

Derailed?

Gigante never had a bad dream let alone a wet one about the windy city.

Thread closed.

You guys are right that The Don first used that phrase and that Chicago used it here. There are also some differences: Elmwood Parker/The Don claimed to have a relative in the Grand Avenue Crew, while Chicago said he's the son of a mostly Taylor Street guy. Another difference is that Elmwood Parker went after Ivy League while Chicago and Ivy get along. Just sayin'.

I typically get along with anyone that agrees with the known facts.

I'm sure Dan would disagree with you on that one LOL

I get along with Ivy and Chicago.
An Outfit to yours is half an hour on a friday night.

Just sayin.

I get along with both of them too. The thing about Dan is an inside joke and the other RD posters will get it.

Don't know what you mean by "An Outfit to yours is half an hour on a friday night."

No. Debatable, but no. Could give a motherfuck who was involved in your favorite fights.

Agreed, Frazier was certainly a great fighter and was very entertaining he is highly overrated. In my opinion he was probably the 9th or 10th best HW. 5 HW'S i don't think it's debatable that were better than Frazier.Ali,Louis,Holmes,Foreman and Holyfield. I'd also say Liston,Lewis,Marciano and Tyson were better but those are more debatable. I would also say Dempsey,Jack Johnson and Floyd Patterson have a strong argument.

Amen. Tunney& ezzard Charles had extremely respectable records at HW as well, for their size especially.

Hey you guys know there is a boxing thread in the sports section if you want to talk about rankings or whatever instead of here in the OC section.

Camarel...i don't think being the "9th or 10th best HW" is wrong. But thats not an insult to me, there has been many great heavyweights and being among the top 10 would be an honor to me.

All my italian paisons (i'm 100% italian) here will freak when i say this but i don't think Marciano was as great a fighter as a heavyweight as many do. I don't care that he was undefeated. He was super small and would of had multiple defeats if he ever fought anybody in the 70's. Foreman would of knocked the little guy out just like he did Frazier and several other fighters would of defeated him too. Sorry guys but i think the Rock gets way too much acclaim. Even the name guys he did fight were way out of their prime. A young Joe Louis would of wiped the ring with the Rock.

Ok let the flaming begin! lol

Marciano is highly overrated in my opinion as well. Louis would have completely destroyed him.

Look, no one is saying Frazier wasn't talented, he just isn't top five & that's not debatable.

Anyways, for the record, my top three HWs (unbiased) reads as follows:

1.)Louis
2.)Holmes
3.)Clay

My father and i used to debate the Ali-Louis thing to death. He said Louis would of KO'd Ali and i thought Ali would of danced around Louis and would of gotten the decision.

I can't tell you how many times we went over that stuff.

According to my father..Joe Louis and Sugar Ray Robinson were the 2 best fighters ever. He saw Sugar Ray fight a couple times growing up in Brooklyn.

[quote=F_white]Down go Frazier !!!!!!!!

People clearly did not get the joke about SC handing down suspensions.

We got the joke, we just went off topic a bit.

Louis was a much better boxer than Clay, I really don't think that's debatable either. And I agree with your old man, he would have KOd him. I also believe Holmes would Have KOd any version of Clay. (Holmes gets underrated because he wasn't a popular personality)

I thought it was the general consensus that Ray Robinson is the Michael Jordan of the sport.

Sugar Ray was the man! My father would of liked you HSA.

IMHO Ali in his prime was a great fighter, he was never the same guy when he came back. He lost his legs, they were shot.

Great subject, but lets move this conversation to the sports section before we get flamed.

Sorry, **Holmes would have BEATEN any version of Clay** not KOd