The mafia in 2013 is a complete waist of time,
The majority of the guys that are on the streets are wanna be tough guys
That as soon as they have to get violent suddenly there is to much heat or the Feds are watching or the guy that have to assault is a RAT". In 2013 that's what the mob hides behind. The reality is no one has balls the only family that generates money is te genovese
And everyone in that crew are businessmen and classy, and smart l. But the mob
As people read about I'm books or watch on tv is dead . There are no real players out there anymore . The handfuls of guys that are good guys are gonna end up in jail for the
ignorance of the other guys . The mob is dead and will never be back people aren't scarred of these guys anymore . They don't have the balls to move against and street gangs or any one else for that matter.

Lol it fucking sucks huh? Lol

People are people, criminals are criminals.

Just give it 5 to 10 years. Now that the FBI has cut down their manpower to investigate them by more than half they are dancing in the streets in Brooklyn and queens.

Well to be honest the fact that the the mob is dead is a good thing. I mean i know we all like to talk about mob history which is cool but the fact is that the mafia are criminals and for the most part psychopaths. So even though mob history does interest me im happy that the mob isnt as strong as it used to be

I wouldn't say the Mob is dead, just diminished.

The last to go will be the New York 5 Families. That will take a long time and then it might be reduced to 2 or 3 Families.

The recruiting pool and desire is still there, just diminished with lesser talent.

The once mighty Chicago Outfit is in much worse shape for 5 reasons:

1) Smaller recruiting ground with the diminishing Italian neighborhoods.
2) Attrition.
3) Federal Prosecutuions from RICO.
4) Star players quit several years ago.
5) More opportunity for young Italian American men to make good money legitimately.

As long as people wanna gamble the mob will still be around.

When people say "the mob is dead," I think that's an inaccurate statement. It's certainly less than what you experienced in the sixties and seventies. The way of doing business from the mob's perspective has changed dramatically, and I think some people confuse that with the idea that the mob is dying. It's still rabid, strong, and alive; I just think the days of easily charging the mob — those days are over, because people are engaged in more sophisticated crimes. Their level of concealment as it relates to financial-type fraud and health-care fraud and all the other, the different complex crimes that they're involved in, it's just made it harder for us to track them. So it appears as if it's not as big of a problem, but certainly the mob is still there, and they're still very strong. Their hierarchy is well-established, and it's been established for decades, so it's very easy to replace somebody. When we arrest a high-ranking captain, the next day somebody's there to fill that person's shoes.

- FBI Special Agent George Khouzami

Ill accept that for the genovese family thats about it the gambinos
Have shit goin on Colombos even more ruined bonnano don't hve a pot to piss in
Luchese even worse . That can apply to the genovese family as far as more sophisticated
But the rest they take a few bets and can make there mortage

How do figure the Luccheses are in worse shape than the Columbos or Bononnos.

I'm not sure what you're basing this on but both indictments and statements from the FBI over the past decade say otherwise.


"The Mafia - also known as La Cosa Nostra - may have taken on a diminished role in some areas of the country but in New York the five families are still extremely strong and viable." (David Shafer, FBI, 2011)

"Across the U.S. the mob's influence and power is not what it used to be, even in cities like Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. But New York is different. They are still a viable force here." (Lin DeVecchio, former FBI, 2011)

I'm just making a point the genovese family are the real money makers the rest of
The family's have a few great guys but the rest r useless deadbeats I can name several made guys and capos in a few family's that are piss broke that would have never happend 30 years ago , and I mean capos also not
Just soldiers .

Of course there are going to be some guys that are piss broke but saying that wouldn't have been the case 30 years ago is ridiculous. They aren't going to have books and documentaries on the guys from 30 years ago that were broke so we won't hear as much about them but believe me there were just like there are today.

But all of the families have some guys that have money and some are probably even wealthy not just the Genovese.

The Genovese family, collectively speaking, is certainly the strongest and richest of the bunch. Always has been. But a lot of people underrate the Gambinos. They rival the Genovese in size and are a strong #2 in terms of power. The FBI has said that those "two families in particular, continue to thrive." It's a significant drop off from those two families to the three smaller NY families but it's not like the Luccheses, Colombos, and Bonannos are going anywhere anytime soon. And this idea that most mob guys are deadbeats who are broke seems to be as incorrect as the idea that most mob guys are filthy rich. As I've said before, most of them seem to be more or less middle class, with the rest on one end or the other; i.e. millionaires or brokesters.

Couldn't agree more. Majority middle of the road then some broke and some filthy rich (and in all families.. Maybe the Genovese & Gambinos have more who are well off but they are also bigger families so that would make sense)

they will be fine, all the families..not too much old stuff left to pinch guys on, most murders have been solved.. there will always be sports betting and union pinches.. any cases that are still hanging out there? .

Law enforcement, though, had Albert J. Circelli Jr. down for a different sort of life. They pegged him as a recently made Mafia soldier, a member of the crew run by Anthony DiSimone’s father. “Sources in the organized-crime law-enforcement circles reported that Circelli was a soldier in the Lucchese crime family,” said Joseph F. O’Brien, a former FBI agent and co-author of best-seller Boss of Bosses. If he wasn’t connected then, some wondered, where did he get the cash for all those fancy cars? He had eight cars registered to his name: five Cadillacs, a Chevy, a Ferrari, and a Lincoln. That night, he’d taken the Lincoln to Rao’s, where parking was always available.

This Circelli guy, who nobody had ever heard of until he was killed at Rao's, certainly didn't seem broke. Five Cadillacs and a Ferrari. That's not broke. There's still money to be made out there for any guys with ambition.

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That was at least 10years ago and I'm sure he had legit money because to have 5 caddys and a Ferrari,u have to be on paper loaded and like I said I'm sure that wasa good 10 years ago. There guys out there with legit money, we all can be rich. Legit.

The mob just like any other organized crime group has evolved. The big moneys in like the above post said, financial, health care fraud scams. To do this you dont need violence. And with the street rackets, a gambler doesn't pay, you black ball them and make sure they can't place any action elsewhere. Union problem, you call a strike. Maybe today their aren't guys getting bang bang'd in brooklyn in broad daylight, and maybe not a bunch of guys hanging out at a social club, but it's still their.

Maybe select few guys run scams like that , but it's very rare
They lost there power, now days who ever has a few bucks has it from legit money.
The Russians Chinese blacks all took over hands on rackets. Take 18th ave Brooklyn
Gambino "stronghold" is all Chinese , they all sold out there block , Chinese have whore houses on every corner I no for sure they dnt get any money from them.
Capos in the family who legit don't have much have trouble paying their mortgage and can't afford to have enough cars in the house for there kids to drive.
It has all changed these sophisticated crimes there are rare that an Italian Icn family runs them.

Hey Cic I was wondering about this the other day, is there a tax on vices such as "massage parlors" and gambling dens with the influx of Chinese along 18th ave?

My question is, does the mob need to be big to be successful? I would argue, not at all. If being smaller means recruiting and retaining a more trusted cadre, making less than before but still in the millions, and avoiding unnecessary law enforcement busts/probes/arrests, then I would say that is a very successful group, strategically adapting the times with an eye toward the future.

NY & Chicago aren't going anywhere anytime soon. It's dead everywhere else outside of Italia/Sicilia.

The mob is alive also in canada they put newyork in their pocket down there .

The Chinese don't kick shit up to Italians on 18thave
There who're houses near Kids houses italian places the 3 that are left
20,30 years ago that would have never happend.

Right, Canada as well.

The gambling in the Chinatown district here in Chicago is still controlled by the Italians.

Philly and boston r doing just as well as chicago
I think the biggest casee that still hanging out in the open is the big luchese gambling bust from like 5 years ago againstmadonna and dinapoli and a bunch of other lower level guys. The prosuctirs wanna bring it to trial and the defense wants the charges dropped over a bunch of technacalities and theyve been litigating about it for years

I wonder why? It seems like easy money.

Now keeping a gambling case open for nearly 6 years is a waste of tax payer money. If this was a huge rico with murder and the whole kitten caboodal than you gotta fight it out in court to get the convictions, but gambling, offer the guys probation most of the guys will be right back in prison soon anyways.

Regards the Luchesse bust.


Fantastic judicial system.

Imagine some of these guys are innocent (NOT saying they are) and your locked up for 6 years awaiting trial!

I thought the constitution guaranteed a right to a quick trial?

Philly & Boston are not to be mentioned with NY & Chicago.