Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
But that's exactly why they ARE bad men. It's not their physical but mental capability which is the issue.

Navy seals whilst fit, trained guys don't often go round double tapping from back seats.

These guys do.
Albert Vena - hero to many of these posters - is all of about 5'2" or 5' 3" and has type 2 diabetes pretty badly. A Navy Seal he is not - but most definitely a killer. Has beaten one murder rap that I can think of and also was acquitted of Attempted Murder of a Chicago Police Officer who tried to execute the arrest warrant for the murder in question. To discuss the Chicago Outfit or the rest of the American Mafia in a historical fashion or in the ways they continue to operate in the 21st Century is indeed fascinating to all of us or we wouldn't be on these boards. That - however - is MUCH different from being akin to those who hold these guys up as Robin Hoods or some anti-heroes when they are neither...