An apology was never extended...:) If your skin is thin that's your problem lol...Maybe she would bust your balls cuz she got tired of ironing you Cavarricis, perhaps??? Why do you still wear those??? ...:)

Said it before and I'll say it again.

Someone call the BOP and let them know Kukliski's out. Or make that the local Cem.

Far right! (photo)

Ignore the fact that most people (myself included) just had to google the word "Cavarricis" which was spelled wrong in the first place, uh good comeback?

my 2 cents the outfit is extinct.

Close to it

Everyone is entitled to their opinions right?

(Sonny likey:)

You can have your own opinions, but you cant have your own facts.

The Outfit isn't remotely close to being "extinct", and there is nothing that would, or should lead anyone to believe that. Why do you people get so bent out of shape about this? Who cares? What's the difference?

They're just trolls and flamers.

I didn't bring it up. You did.



I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything as far as that photo goes. And that's because I don't go on speculation and innuendo like you do. You have no real info about the significance of the photo so you simply post it and hope people's imaginations will start running wild.

Its funny you say that Jace I was wondering if the LA mafia even exited anymore?

I have no real info about the significance either...but I have common sense. When you see polls attending social functions for known mobsters and posing with them for pictures, common sense implies their is corruption.

Then again I feel like common sense isn't your forte or you wouldn't be living in Utah

Stop the digs already!

Quit bashing Utah. I live in Taxifornia, where we have some of the highest state taxes, gas taxes, and number of stupid anti-free market regulations in the country. New York and Mass. are just as bad, or close to it. Utah's economy is better than most other states, and probably lower in corruption too. Dry climate, beautiful scenery, I wouldn't mind relocating to Utah myself (and I'm not a Mormon).

Thanks for contributing that to this thread.

You're welcome. Maybe we can return to discussing the original topic now.

Keep in mind that ChiTown (Fratto) has always needed to resort to personal attacks because his arguments regarding the Outfit are full of holes. He did it over on the RD forum and that's what ultimately got him banned. He and the rest of the Chicago fanboy crowd just need to start their own forum where they can all worship the Chicago mob (the one that exists only in their head) without being bothered with facts.

+1...IKR ??? Some of these guys are like rock groupies..Instead of backstage they're under the tables at Richard's or The Grotto...:) I wonder if there are any pics of THAT that will be posted so we all are REALLY impressed lol

It's also funny how some of the guys always preface some old Outfit-connected shlep at a bar saying "He's a bad man" and "That's no one you would want to play around with" etc.

I mean, these guys are not Navy Seals, they are usually overweight and often elderly with no training. Most of them couldn't run around the block without having a coronary.

I obviously find the Outfit interesting and enjoy talking about it but I guess I don't find the fact that some psychopath would put a bullet in someone's head from a back seat because John DiFronzo told him to that impressive.

But that's exactly why they ARE bad men. It's not their physical but mental capability which is the issue.

Navy seals whilst fit, trained guys don't often go round double tapping from back seats.

These guys do.

I'm no fan of any of these criminals, but I do find them interesting and intriguing relative to how they are capable of doing the things they do. Most of these guys should be locked up. I occasionally make a comment or post an article. I realize I'm "out of my depth" with most folks on the board, but some of you guys (yourself included) save me lots of time by providing information that I'm trying to find.

I started reading about The Chicago Outfit back in the 60's and have continued on-and-off for years. Being composed of just one family makes it easier to follow timelines, etc. I've done the same with NY.

I know what you're talking about with the personal attacks and profanity-laced responses. Totally uncalled for and rather childish. Differences should be respected and not denigrated. Discussions and debate can take place without personal attacks. I hope it stops.

Albert Vena - hero to many of these posters - is all of about 5'2" or 5' 3" and has type 2 diabetes pretty badly. A Navy Seal he is not - but most definitely a killer. Has beaten one murder rap that I can think of and also was acquitted of Attempted Murder of a Chicago Police Officer who tried to execute the arrest warrant for the murder in question. To discuss the Chicago Outfit or the rest of the American Mafia in a historical fashion or in the ways they continue to operate in the 21st Century is indeed fascinating to all of us or we wouldn't be on these boards. That - however - is MUCH different from being akin to those who hold these guys up as Robin Hoods or some anti-heroes when they are neither...

The Outfit was divided into two sections years ago:

1) The Northern Section (Elmwood Park, Grand Ave)
2) The Southern Section (Cicero, 26th St)

The Northern Section doesn't care what the Southern Section does concerning the Street Rackets. They are free to do what they wish without any interference.
They are strictly white collar.

The Southern Section is the Traditional Outfit and concentrates mainly on Street Rackets with some legitimate business.

The Northern Section is now basically just Elmwood Park.
A couple of guys and a few associates of theirs answer to Elmwood Park.

Grand Avenue has no Boss, made men, and Soldier/Associates running a full scale organization like years ago.
Grand Ave retreated with Elmwood Park years ago.
There is no way Elmwood park would retreat without Grand Ave.
It was an alliance forged and deeply rooted over the yrears which was discussed an executed by DiFronzo and Lombardo.

Simply not true. There are guys in the Elmwood Park Crew that operate under their Capo and there are a few guys in the Elmwood Park Crew who are direct with DiFronzo who have backed off. The Elmwood Park Crew is not obsolete or 100% legit.

Grand Ave is still a functioning Crew but is probably the smallest of the 4 Crews. To say it is obsolete along with the entire Elmwood Park Crew is simply untrue and actually somewhat ridiculous.

All 4 Crews function to various degrees and DiFronzo
is still the Power much like Accardo was the Power behind the scenes for many years.

The Outfit was not divided into two seperate sections. Before Mike Sarno went away, he received messages and certain instructions passed on to him from John DiFronzo through a messenger.

Money was passed up to DiFronzo for his Political Connections
from Cicero, 26th Street & Grand Ave. DiFronzo operates no differently than Accardo did years ago. He learned from the best. The difference is that the Outfit is smaller and less powerful than years ago.

Elmwood park mainly does 3 things these days, Legit Real estate and construction, real estate "Dumping", which believe it or not is semi legit,both in conjunction with Rockford, and prostitution/Adult entertainment/Human trafficking in conjunction with the Russians.

Wow these Chicago threads are a mess. So now people are saying the Outfit is not two separate groups? I am more inclined to agree with guys like Huron who have been consistent. I do not buy that the Cicero crew needs the approval from John Difronzo for everything they do. Any chance one of the knowledgeable Chicago posters can set me straight on who is on top? Is it still Jimmy I, Solly D, Sal Cautadella, and Frank Caruson that are the most influential and have the top spots whatever they may be?

Not a Chicago poster but I'll just share some of what I have seen and can speculate on:

1. DiFronzo may be acting in a semi-retired "advisory" capacity, much the same way as Accardo.

2. Marco D'Amico may very well be the boss on the street right now.

3. The next four after Marco, regardless of activity, would be Andriacchi, Pete DiFronzo, Solly D, and Inendino.

4. The next level consists of Matassa, Toots Caruso, Vena, and Tony Dote.

5. The only really heavy guy left would be Cautadella, who may have moved up if one or both of Andriacchi and Pete are done, which is a good chance.

6. Entirely speculation on my part.

Thank you Snakes. I realize this is speculation but you gave me the information I wanted, thank you. This is why I go on this forum. I really have enjoyed your lists and other posts. Keep up the great work!

I have read/participated in about 1000 of these threads, and I think it's safe to say that virtually no one knows.

Some theories sound more sensible than others but at the end of the day without a big bust and revelatory information it's just too hard to say.

I totally agree, but that's kind of what makes mob-watching "fun" - for lack of a better term. I guess "interesting" would be more suitable.