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Families that refuse to deal in drugs.
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What families are out there that refuse to get into the drug trade? Or is that a pie in the sky theory in todays 21st century? Not accusing anyone of being in the drug trade. Just know that there are quite a few that have chosen this path and in my opinion it is what has made the mob weaker.
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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs.
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Really? When did this all start? The drug bs?
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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs.
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Records show that any family had members that were involved in drugs one way or the other.
But some families were less involved than others, like the Chicago Outfit. And wouldn't you agree that the Outfit is one of the families that is least involved today? Most of their business comes from Gambling. From what I have read, Ronnie Jarrett was placed on the hit list and disposed of because he was involved in drug dealing. Your thoughts?
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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs.
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Short, to the point, and very, very true. This ain't a Mario Puzo novel we're talking about here, Wilson. They're all in it. True, some families are more involved than others, but that's irrelevant. It's like being a little pregnant.
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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs.
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Records show that any family had members that were involved in drugs one way or the other.
But some families were less involved than others, like the Chicago Outfit. And wouldn't you agree that the Outfit is one of the families that is least involved today? Most of their business comes from Gambling. From what I have read, Ronnie Jarrett was placed on the hit list and disposed of because he was involved in drug dealing. Your thoughts? From what I understand of it the Outfit always has been one of the families to be less involved in drugs.
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs.
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You wonder if (NY families in general, for example) would have fallen apart the way they did, had they abided by those rules. There would be a heck of a lot less guys in prison, and subsequently that many less informants...but then again, the power of RICO would have tagged many of these folks for other things.
Too much $ to be made, so surely it would have been irresistible, I suppose. Weren't they making Billions before they even started getting involved in drugs? Why the need to get into drugs?
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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs.
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You wonder if (NY families in general, for example) would have fallen apart the way they did, had they abided by those rules. There would be a heck of a lot less guys in prison, and subsequently that many less informants...but then again, the power of RICO would have tagged many of these folks for other things.
Too much $ to be made, so surely it would have been irresistible, I suppose. Weren't they making Billions before they even started getting involved in drugs? Why the need to get into drugs? I think most of the major money was with the hierarchy of the families. As soon as the soldiers and associates started to see the money they could be making from drugs they probably wanted to start making their own fortunes instead of making it for the bosses. LCN were involved in drugs from a fairly early stage in their existence it just intesified throughout the 60s and 70s and it became their biggest racket. Do you think if a head boss told crews to lay off the drug dealing, would they listen? Or would they kill him?
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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs.
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Do you think if a head boss told crews to lay off the drug dealing, would they listen? Or would they kill him? Just like anything. The crews just kick up, bosses don't need/want to know...or care where the extra dough is coming from. It's extra dough. Why kill him? The likelihood a boss takes the side of enforcing a rule over the boatload cash it brings in, is slim, unless there is some real threat (you hear the guy might be being investigated, just don't like him, etc etc) Everyone is making money, nobody's asking questions...everyone's happy. Internal politics, and money, is all it is.
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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs.
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Mafia has been dealing drugs since Day One. Don Vito Cascio Ferro, the Sicilian pezzanovante, spent several years early in the last century in NYC, shaping up the loose Mafia scene into what became the Five Families, and setting up the first of many drug pipelines between Europe and North America. The Mob has always been well-positioned to deal drugs. They have the international connections, the feet-on-the-street to move it, and the brothels, bars, betting parlors, etc., to distribute it.
Until the Sixties, drugs was a small but profitable part of every family's income. Yes, most of their income came from gambling, etc., but the drug profits were too good to pass up. As long as the traffic was confined to racial minorities, jazz musicians and others that society didn't care about, the law was pleased to look the other way in return for bribes. But the drug explosion of the Sixties ruined many white, middle-class youngsters--including children of cops, judges, politicians, etc. Suddenly the penalties became big, and omerta was threatened.
The bosses had a dilemma: a soldier given a double-digit sentence might talk and endanger higher-ups. But Mafia is a pyramid scheme: a part of every soldier's or associate's take is kicked upstairs, eventually reaching the Don. If the Don decreed and enforced a ban on drugs, he'd just drive the traffic--and his own take--underground.
So the Dons came up with a typical Mafia hypocrisy: they decreed death for anyone caught dealing drugs. If a guy was nailed dealing drugs, they'd kill him before he had a chance to testify. But if he wasn't caught...well, what you don't know won't hurt you--as long as the money kept coming in. That decree had a kind of Darwinian effect: it scared off the weaker guys, leaving drug trafficking to the more resourceful guys who were less likely to get caught.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs.
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Mafia has been dealing drugs since Day One. Don Vito Cascio Ferro, the Sicilian pezzanovante, spent several years early in the last century in NYC, shaping up the loose Mafia scene into what became the Five Families, and setting up the first of many drug pipelines between Europe and North America. The Mob has always been well-positioned to deal drugs. They have the international connections, the feet-on-the-street to move it, and the brothels, bars, betting parlors, etc., to distribute it.
Until the Sixties, drugs was a small but profitable part of every family's income. Yes, most of their income came from gambling, etc., but the drug profits were too good to pass up. As long as the traffic was confined to racial minorities, jazz musicians and others that society didn't care about, the law was pleased to look the other way in return for bribes. But the drug explosion of the Sixties ruined many white, middle-class youngsters--including children of cops, judges, politicians, etc. Suddenly the penalties became big, and omerta was threatened.
The bosses had a dilemma: a soldier given a double-digit sentence might talk and endanger higher-ups. But Mafia is a pyramid scheme: a part of every soldier's or associate's take is kicked upstairs, eventually reaching the Don. If the Don decreed and enforced a ban on drugs, he'd just drive the traffic--and his own take--underground.
So the Dons came up with a typical Mafia hypocrisy: they decreed death for anyone caught dealing drugs. If a guy was nailed dealing drugs, they'd kill him before he had a chance to testify. But if he wasn't caught...well, what you don't know won't hurt you--as long as the money kept coming in. That decree had a kind of Darwinian effect: it scared off the weaker guys, leaving drug trafficking to the more resourceful guys who were less likely to get caught. Perfect explanation.
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Re: Families that refuse to deal in drugs.
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Mafia has been dealing drugs since Day One. Don Vito Cascio Ferro, the Sicilian pezzanovante, spent several years early in the last century in NYC, shaping up the loose Mafia scene into what became the Five Families, and setting up the first of many drug pipelines between Europe and North America. The Mob has always been well-positioned to deal drugs. They have the international connections, the feet-on-the-street to move it, and the brothels, bars, betting parlors, etc., to distribute it.
Until the Sixties, drugs was a small but profitable part of every family's income. Yes, most of their income came from gambling, etc., but the drug profits were too good to pass up. As long as the traffic was confined to racial minorities, jazz musicians and others that society didn't care about, the law was pleased to look the other way in return for bribes. But the drug explosion of the Sixties ruined many white, middle-class youngsters--including children of cops, judges, politicians, etc. Suddenly the penalties became big, and omerta was threatened.
The bosses had a dilemma: a soldier given a double-digit sentence might talk and endanger higher-ups. But Mafia is a pyramid scheme: a part of every soldier's or associate's take is kicked upstairs, eventually reaching the Don. If the Don decreed and enforced a ban on drugs, he'd just drive the traffic--and his own take--underground.
So the Dons came up with a typical Mafia hypocrisy: they decreed death for anyone caught dealing drugs. If a guy was nailed dealing drugs, they'd kill him before he had a chance to testify. But if he wasn't caught...well, what you don't know won't hurt you--as long as the money kept coming in. That decree had a kind of Darwinian effect: it scared off the weaker guys, leaving drug trafficking to the more resourceful guys who were less likely to get caught. How many testified in 1960's after being caught with drugs ? Any list of guys who were killed after being caught ?
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