With 4 crews, there has to be more than 5 made guys in a crew. To me, it's just difficult to comprehend how they would let it get that small. Assuming Elmwood Park has retreated and all of the active made guys from Northside are in Grand Avenue, why would Cicero/26th Street go along with such a small Outfit?

The outfit is going the way of the Dinosaurs extinct.

Chicago and Ivy League, is there like a Memorex button or a pasting mechanism so you two don't ALWAYS have to repeat yourselves??????? LOL You guys bring too damn much to the threads to CONSTANTLY have to repeat yourselves to EVERY delusional Outfit groupie out here lol

Chicago and Ivy League, is there like a Memorex button or a pasting mechanism so you two don't ALWAYS have to repeat yourselves??????? LOL You guys bring too damn much to the threads to CONSTANTLY have to repeat yourselves to EVERY delusional Outfit groupie out here lol

I wouldn't go THAT far, man..They'll always be around in some capacity Chicago is too big a city but it amuses me that soooooooooo many just can't and/or won't accept that they are a SHADOW of what they were 30 years ago. WHY IS THAT SO IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE???? Jimmy Inendino in Cicero is a capable leader but he is 70 years old...Apart from Solly DeLaurentis, WHO ELSE IS REALLY LEFT with that kind of street cred that is ACTUALLY on the street?? NOBODY...

Sonny Black, Ivy and I never said Chicago at it's Height ever surpassed any of the New York Families. We said they were comparable. Chicago had less made men by design but had a lot of associates and tremendous political clout and represented all the Families west of the Mississippi on the Commission. they were allied with Genovese Family which I've now stated for the 5th time. LOL. Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like you want to debate it and I really don't care to debate it.
It's not and never was 'PISSING Contest' between Chicago and any of the New York Families. The only people trying to make it into a 'PISSING Contest' are a few of these bloggers. I hope I answered your question. Anymore questions from anyone throwing out numbers, I respectfully take the 5th. LOL.

Sonny Black, Ivy and I never said Chicago at it's Height ever surpassed any of the New York Families. We said they were comparable.

Chicago and New York were never really competing. New York controlled the East Coast including Florida, Cuba and Atlantic City. Chicago had Las Vegas and the Los Angeles. Power was relative to each area. Chicago, due to the corruption in the city, likely had more political clout within Chicago than New York Families did in New York.

Think about it this way. Giancana told the NY Families that they should have done the 1957 meeting in Chicago because law enforcement was under their control.

The Outfit controlled police chiefs all over the suburbs and even the Chief of Detectives in Chicago was an Outfit guy. I think it was fairly recent when the Elmwood Park or Melrose Park Police Chief was outed as an Outfit Associate.

Next, turn to the court system. Judge Mahoney. Enough said. He walked Spilotro at a bench trial. Alan Masters, attorney at law. Operations Greylord, Gambat and Silver Spoon.

City politics: Pat Marcy and Fred Roti. Marcy was a Democratic Party leader and Roti was a City Councilman and made man in the Outfit.

New York didn't have the clout at the highest levels of government although due to city size, it didn't matter. New York's 5 families were extremely powerful and still are powerful in certain neighborhoods and in South Florida.

@ivyleague

why are you bringing up tammany hall from the early 1900s?

chicago is more crooked than new york and it's just that simple

For the record, I said a good argument could be made that they were comparable.



We're all aware of these past political connections of the Outfit. However, whenever people cite them, especially when making comparisons, one can't help but get the feeling those same people aren't aware of mob-related political corruption in New York/New Jersey. They're so busy trying to make a case for Chicago that they've never bothered to do any research outside that city.

Ever heard of Tammany Hall? James Hines? Christy Sullivan? Hugo Rogers? Carmine DeSapio? Frank Rossetti (Manhattan Democratic chairman)? Meade Esposito (Brooklyn Democratic boss)? Joseph Galiber (Democratic state senator)? Stanley Friedman (Bronx Democratic leader)? Paul Victor (Bronx Democratic chairman)? Mob-related corruption in New Jersey has been even worse down through the years - from Newark Mayor Hugh Addonizio to Governor James E. McGreevey - and there are literally too many to name.

Nearly all of your examples, McGreevey excluded, are from the 1960s and prior.

Can someone answer why is the Outfit a hot button topic with so many people?

Because this is on OC Forum. And people have different views. And some may come from Chicago.

Its really not that hard.