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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: BlackFamily] #726150
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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
In my opinion, Zimmerman should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.


He is. It's a lesser included charge as part of the jury instructions.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: IvyLeague] #726186
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With all due respect, you can keep that +1 this time. I was disappointed in your "fire hose" comment from the other thread.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #726187
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I have watch some of the trial but not been able see it from beginning to end.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: BlackFamily] #726189
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MSNBC is announcing that the Judge in the Zimmerman case is giving the jury an "option" of deliberating on Sunday. I have a feeling they will deliberate on Sunday.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: BlackFamily] #726215
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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
With all due respect, you can keep that +1 this time. I was disappointed in your "fire hose" comment from the other thread.


Apologies if I offended you but I do think you're being a little sensitive. Would it have been more acceptable if I had said rubber bullets and tear gas instead of fire hoses and police dogs? Anyway, if I'm right in assuming you are black, it's refreshing that you have the objectivity necessary to see that a murder charge in this case is absurd.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #726219
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A manslaughter conviction in the state of Florida is no joke.

For a Manslaughter conviction Florida law says it carries a maximum sentence of 30 years in prison if a firearm is used with a mandatory minimum of 25 years if a gun was used.

Without a firearm the max is 15 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_punishments_for_murder_in_the_United_States#Florida

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Giancarlo] #726249
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Lawyers, Judge, defendant in court. Apparently jurors had a question for clarification of manslaughter. Lawyers, judge left courtroom to prepare "response." confused They recessed for about a half hour. Due back in about 5 minutes.

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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #726265
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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #726294
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Zimmerman verdict : NOT GUILTY

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #726296
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Very disappointed in the Not Guilty verdict. I've always thought the murder charge was overzealous, but believe that manslaughter was called for.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #726297
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Justice done, show trial over.


Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #726298
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Let justice be done, though the heavens may fall.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Sicilian Babe] #726299
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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Very disappointed in the Not Guilty verdict. I've always thought the murder charge was overzealous, but believe that manslaughter was called for.


Yea me to SB, tho not totally shocked. "They always get away.." don't they? frown


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #726300
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Very disappointed in the Not Guilty verdict. I've always thought the murder charge was overzealous, but believe that manslaughter was called for.


Yea me to SB, tho not totally shocked. "They always get away.." don't they? frown


TIS


Self defense is a absolute defense to both charges. Either the jury believed the story of self defense or it was murder. There were no options.

Last edited by LittleNicky; 07/13/13 10:08 PM.

Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #726308
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It's a tragedy. Trayvon Martin is dead and Zimmerman, who is also a young man, will never have a "normal" life again. It's a tragedy on so many levels. However, IMO, justice was not done. Zimmerman should pay for the life he took.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #726309
07/13/13 10:20 PM
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I thought 100% Zimmerman would be acquitted or found not guilty but now that they pulled up this new manslaughter charge at the last minute(which to me is a flaw in the justice system, to just throw a new charge in their at the end of the trial) I'm not so sure now. He might just actually be found Guilty.

But I still for see a hung jury. The longer the jurors are in that room the bigger the chance it will be hung.

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Sicilian Babe] #726311
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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #726314
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Not guilty. Thank you very much.


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Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #726317
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Real constructive get.

What happened to the whole "i just want justice and fairness" garbage? I called you out as a ideologue with a poltical/racial agenda yesterday, here today you are posting suggestions to kill someone.

Last edited by LittleNicky; 07/13/13 10:30 PM.

Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #726318
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LOL AT GET. When anyone says anything even slightly off color we get warned, because its not politically correct. But I can have my sons life threatened by cookcounty, and this dude up here making esoteric threats. Fuckoutta here with that shit.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: LittleNicky] #726322
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Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Real constructive get.

What happened to the whole "i just want justice and fairness" garbage? I called you out as a ideologue with a poltical/racial agenda yesterday, here today you are posting suggestions to kill someone.

heh, typical. complain about violence/guns/injustice, then call for it when it suites them. the hypocracy is simply amazing. imagine the backlash here if ivy posted something like that if the roles were reversed. we have cookcounty wishing someone's children dead, and now this shit. consistency? fat chance!

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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: LittleNicky] #726323
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Don't know the age of some of you guys but the GROUP Public Enemy was voted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year..




so I figured that even people who don't care for rap music would be somewhat familiar with the group.

Their logo is of a young man in the cross hairs of a rifle, get it?
he is viewed as a or THE public enemy

just like Trayvon was viewed as a public enemy for walking through a neighborhood with candy and soda.


Didn't think I had to SPELL out such a simple post.

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Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Don't know the age of some of you guys but the GROUP Public Enemy was voted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year..so I figured that even people who don't care for rap music would be somewhat familiar with the group.

Their logo is of a young man in the cross hairs of a rifle, get it?
he is viewed as a or THE public enemy

just like Trayvon was viewed as a public enemy for walking through a neighborhood with candy and soda.


Didn't think I had to SPELL out such a simple post.

cut the bullshit! own up to what you posted, instead of trying to snake around it like a weasel!


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: vinnietoothpicks26] #726326
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IT'S ALL OVER BUT THE SHOUTING.

Now you'll see all the Racist Cry Babies on television and on these blogs come making threats.

If the kid who got killed was white, they wouldn't have cared at all.

What we have is REVERSE Racism.

Last edited by Chicago; 07/13/13 10:40 PM.
Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #726328
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Yesterday it was all about the wonderfulness of the jury and the justice system, today it is back to retarded, non-legal non sequiturs along with subtle threats that have nothing to do with whether the prosecution proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Last edited by LittleNicky; 07/13/13 10:40 PM.

Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Don't know the age of some of you guys but the GROUP Public Enemy was voted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year..so I figured that even people who don't care for rap music would be somewhat familiar with the group.

Their logo is of a young man in the cross hairs of a rifle, get it?
he is viewed as a or THE public enemy

just like Trayvon was viewed as a public enemy for walking through a neighborhood with candy and soda.


Didn't think I had to SPELL out such a simple post.

cut the bullshit! own up to what you posted, instead of trying to snake around it like a weasel!




I just posted a few minutes ago about twitter releasing the names of anonymous posters in France...those who are hiding behind computers to say things that they otherwise wouldn't say/write


go check it out,one of you guys even replied to it..asking me what I thought of the ruling.


You are paranoid.....just like Zimmerman.

You see boogey men where there are none...

Re: Crime & Justice [Re: olivant] #726332
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No, I don't think the prosecution did, which is why I feel that justice was not done. That doesn't mean he wasn't guilty, but I think the prosecution made a lot of mistakes, especially with the murder charge. This case didn't warrant a murder charge, IMO.


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Re: Crime & Justice [Re: Chicago] #726333
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Originally Posted By: Chicago
IT'S ALL OVER BUT THE SHOUTING.

Now you'll see all the Racist Cry Babies on television and on these blogs come making threats.

If the kid who got killed was white, they wouldn't have cared at all.

What we have is REVERSE Racism.


Where is get's posts about the daily slaughter on the streets of chicago? We would be a better place today if the black community focused as much on the daily slaughter from chicago to baltimore instead of focusing on GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, the one in a million case.

Last edited by LittleNicky; 07/13/13 10:43 PM.

Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison.
I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate...
for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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I won't hold my breath waiting for any of you to apologize.

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