Former Black Disciple Arthur Stringer

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deal with the youth. Don, and other brothers are not afraid to deal with the youth....This is part of what King Dave stood for.”

One reason that some Disciples believe that King Dave's approach will be useful to reduce Chicago's violence is based on what he saw as the root of the problems, as explained by a Black Gangster Disciple Nation (BGDN) member, Frederick Little (Sensei):

“If King Dave was here today, he would be totally appalled...not just about the street level, but on the home level. [King Dave thought] the street level is a reflection of what is going on in people's homes. Parents adults, guardians, are getting high, smoking, cussing in front of their kids; not checking their behavior back and fourth to school...”

Sensei encourages that any effort to use King Dave's approach to address Chicago's violence must use one of his most effective techniques, the door to door approach:

“David Barksdale would go knock on people's doors, [and say], 'This your son, this is your daughter, let me tell you what they were doing.' You not gonna get smart with him, and you will not get smart with the Don, Larry Hoover and so on. You will reflect the way they talk to you.” Sensei added that being a true Disciple entails, “staying away from drugs, being disciplined, staying in school and advancing yourself, being gainfully employed and taking care of your children and family. This is what we have to return to doing.”

Michael "White Mike" Morris is a younger Black Disciple who never met King Dave, but believes he plays an important role in keeping his vision and mission alive: “My role is to educate and instruct those who do not know; present the truth to them. It is important to know what the Disciples are about if you want to do good. I tell the community that we are about being involved in the community to help those around you, those you have love for, and standing up for what you believe in.”

Other young Black Disciples believe that if understood and used properly, the teachings, vision, and mission of King David can have a major impact on reducing violence in Chicago:

“Everything that came from the teaching of Black Disciple Nation, guides me in my every day life, by me being able to use the knowledge of the 6 pointed star” says eighteen-year-old Keyren Finch (“Trey”). 

Trey continued, “The guys out there my age, if they are able to adopt the teachings, and adopt and use them in their everyday life, there will never be as much killing among the brothers, because we are about love, loyalty...and understanding in a brotherhood...”

He advises other young men: “Don't look at the other person as your enemy unless that person is presenting themselves as your enemy at that time. You should be able to respect a person as a man first, before anything. It is not about who they are... It is about mutual respect.”

One of the toughest tasks that Don Dirk has ahead of him is to address the number of Chicago shootings and killings that occur and involve the name of Black Disciples, sometimes he claims, only in vain:

“You have those who have gotten into the Black Discipline Nation because they cool with another member of the BD Nation. You have those who are perpetrating the BD Nation and they bring a dissension to people in our name. They are making us look bad. Some might be paid to do these things. Some of them may be doing this because they want to get us back. But everybody that call themselves BD are not true BD, and they are the ones causing the problems.”

Don Dirk believes that the first step to this process of peace on the streets, is to gather the true believers of King David and involve them in a sort of re-orientation that will revive the original intentions of creating peaceful and prosperous communities, without the drug and violence problems of the past.

“True Disciple teaches us that a man is known by the manner in which he carries himself. A real Disciple will be respectable, honorable, loving, and kind. We are bringing that back for the good of all of our communities and people. We begin by promoting peace [on the streets], so look out to know more about it and support what we are doing.”. Source: Ebony.com 6/4/13 article

im always skeptical of these stories. Larry Hoover tried to do the same thing during the early 90s.

True. It possibly an agreement going on behind closed doors with the gang leaders but BDs have strong leadership( their 4th or 5th). I think it's a panel for the BDs but it could be a single nation leader.

ain't nobody calling it for the bd's on the street

meaning there ain't one sole leader or panel

if you're lucky enough to know somebody in the "mob" u might have a boss

other than that it's just a bunch of undirected senseless violence going on

With all due respect your wrong. BDs have always been organized in the streets. Think about this; David Barksdale founder/ leader from 1960-1974, Jerome Freeman 1974- 2000, Marvel Thompson 2000-2004?, Unknown leader(s) 2005-2013.

Marvel thompson was the guy with the record label.

why exactly did they split away from gangster disciples because they all used to be called the black gangster disciples?

Blackfamily heres some old news clips i found on hoover and his "charity" work.

Yes, Marvel owned MOB record label which produced the international sensation the cha cha slide. I don't know the specific reason Jerome reformed the BDs out of the Black Gangster Disciples ( it was an alliance then not a mob) but it's generally different leadership style per say. Afterall Jerome still joined the folks nation after the split. Also the Black Gangsters ( present New Breeds) split away from the BGD alliance too but on a bad note. The only group to try a hit on Larry Hoover while he was locked up. I already saw those videos years ago.

after the bd's got hit by the feds in 2004 it's been downhill

the younger crowd doesn't care about having a leader

they would rather be leaderless so they can act reckless

the older bd's still know what's going on

but there ain't one guy calling the show for over 3000 people anymore

when did they try and hit hoover?

How have it been downhill after Operation Marvel-less? The younger crowd will always have their rebels here and there but that can't last forever. At some point jail/prison is where reckless behavior be then they can't so no to the leadership. True the older members maintain but that's why I said a leadership group if it's not an overall "president". This is my reason why: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-02-28/news/0602280302_1_black-disciples-gang-prosecutors. They mention 3 members with the rank of kings.

1979.

I wonder what would happen if they got into book making and construction

@blackfamily

all three kings they were referring to got arrested in the same indictment



@thebigfella

they were involved in construction, plus a bunch of other shit

that's why the feds indicted them in the first place

it wasn't because they were drug dealing in slums

Right but did you notice that it took 2 years to catch them. In that amount of time you don't think there was any reorganizing going on? Here's a recent arrest and it mentions a high-ranking leader: http://www.careersatquincy.com/story/219...ng-bond-hearing

that was a pretty recent bust too and he is a 50 year old too.heres the post i put up when that bust went down. http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=708643
I think there still structure but the days of the huge corporate like organisation are less likely these days.

There are two factions of Black Disciples. One faction that still claims the deceased Jerome "Shorty" Freeman as their leader,( who is calling the shots for them I don't know) and there is also the Blue 5 Black Disciples who claim King Marvel Thompson as their leader. When the leadership of the BD nation passed from Shorty Freeman to Thompson he formed the Blue 5's. Many within the BD nation rejected this move and rejected him as their leader.

I think theres a power higher than walter blacan thats running the show, a real leader shouldnt let himself get to closely involved, and I believe its best to have a panel of leaders when ur dealing with drugs that closely because the conviction rate is unbelieveable

How much time did marvel thompson and donnell jehan recieve

Thank You, Scorsese. I couldn't find your post so I just uploaded a different one. GDs were the ones with the corporate structure, BDs have a quasi-religious structure. And yes there still organized.

Marvel receive 45 years and I don't know about the other guy.

It would seem I was wrong about Marvel rank and time, the court case says he was a "King" rank back in the 90s to 04 but over the southside. Here's the case: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1498390.html

there's no more order going on in Chicago's current gang structure

except for on the westside.....they still have mobs

I still disagree to an extent. Chicago gangs have been organized over 30 years and obviously the structure have change for some groups. Now presently their structure is falling apart just in a span of a few years? Dont think so. And let's not forget their structured in Illinois prisons. These factions are still organized and have leadership in control. Again as I repeat just because one group or 2 is having internal problems, doesn't reflect every other group. No it's not just one side of town but the entire metro area.

I agree with cook county. (except for the last part Westside doesn't have structure anymore either like it once did) I was born and raised in Chicago. The gangs today don't have nearly the organization and structure as they did in the past. Today there is no one person calling the shots on the streets. You can have one gang with many many different factions with none of them getting alon gwith along with the toher. Also nowaadyas it's all about crews and crews can be made ou of individuals from several different gangs. Add to the mix the rvial hood thing so you can be in the same gang but be enemies because you're from different hoods. So all in all the structure is gone a thing of the past. These young boys aren't listening to or taking orders from anyone.

Law enforcement usually always gets in confused and twisted. Marvel had the whole city back in 90's not just the city then he became the King. I was at a BD party on New Years Day when Shorty Freeman and Vel was there. Nobody even new Shorty was out and when he walked in the room everyone froze. The next day it was announced that Vel was the King.

This is confusing, so who is the current street leader of bd and who is the street leader of the blue 5s? And do anyone have info on donnell jehan???

That's why I said to a certain degree I agree but disagree. We all know that the younger generation are mostly knuckleheads but then these gangs aren't 100% juveniles. I'm speaking on the members that are older ( mid-20s and up) and still organized. Recall that those 18 or so BDs that got arrested and among them a high ranking leader, the street gang rico indictment on the black souls ( mainly westside mob) , earlier this year the Latin king leader that held the 2nd/3rd highest rank on the streets and giving orders. Those 3 cases and probably future more are proof that structure for some factions are still intact. Matter of fact it's a paradox for the Chicago law to enact a street gang rico if "all" the gangs are decentralized due to factions. By the way how was the party? Which side of the chi you from?

There isn't a single leader but leaders of different areas. Don't have a clue about the blue 5 BDs. Donnel Jehan, don't know.

At around 2007 donnell jehan got aturned himself in for being the leader of the bds but I can't find any info on how much time he got

Confusing is correct! That's the thing on the streets of Chicago today there isn't a solid leadership like in the past. You can have a street leader one on side of town, but that same leader isn't recognized on the other side of town, or even recognized as a leader on the same side of town a few neighborhoods over.