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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: Louiebynochi] #723187
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Originally Posted By: Louiebynochi
Currently the FBI has 2 squads and 36 FBI agents chasing the 5 ny families
In Chicago they have one squad with 12 agents chasing the entire Chicago outfit

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/29/nyregi...mc=rss&_r=0



it's less people to chase the mafia in ny than it is Chicago

36 people for five mobs is a little thin

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Really thin. I'm wondering if there may be a plan in place with other law enforcement agencies to "make up the difference" in manpower. It just doesn't make sense for the FBI to reduce personnel in a city with five active OC families.

Puzzling !

Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: Mmalioni] #723216
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In nyc there is the organized crime control buraeu(occb) of the nypd that works with the fbi to investigate the mafia. I think a lot of people here recognize the name joe coffey from documentaries he was in the occb.


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Yes, I have seen Mr. Coffee on TV many times. Was not aware of the OCCB unit. I imagine just about every large city has some special unit assigned to investigate OC. I also realize tight budgets result in tough decisions.

Thanks for the info.

Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: Mmalioni] #723232
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Np man, ya in other cities i imagine there are a lot taskforces where federal agencies work with state and local leos to investigate oc whether its the italians or just local gangs, that way they can pool together their depleted resources.


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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: GaryMartin] #723384
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Originally Posted By: GaryMartin
Looks like business will pick up for the N.Y. Families.

Listed below is a link to Chicago FBI that I posted a while back. Who knows for sure about all these figures?

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/08/12/grant-organized-crime-alive-and-well-in-chicago/

Thanks for the info.


You'll notice in that article that the Chicago Outfit is one of the things that squad investigates.

“Fifteen years ago, we had two organized crime squads (in Chicago) focused strictly on the Outfit,” he said. “Now we have one that, a part of their apparatus is focused on the Outfit, but the other is focused almost exclusively on Eastern European organized crime activity.”


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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: Mmalioni] #723386
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Ya as the chicago outfits criminal activities continue to dwindle they dont needs as many fbi agents to investigate them.


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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: Dellacroce] #723403
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Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Ya as the chicago outfits criminal activities continue to dwindle they dont needs as many fbi agents to investigate them.



it's more feds investigating Chicago than investigating NY

36 divided by 5 mobs(NY)......12 divided by 1 mob(chi)

Chicago ain't going anywhere anytime soon.....too crooked of a state

Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: Mmalioni] #723405
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No there's not those 12 also investigate eastern european, cartels, and other froms of oc. Chicagos Italian mob is on it's very last legs.

Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: Dellacroce] #723406
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The feds in new york are soley dedicated to the ny families the article says the feds in chicago are assigned to the outfit and eastern european organized crime. So its not entirely accurate to compare numbers that way. Its been said many times that not all coruption is tied to the outfit but im really not trying to start another ny chicago debate.


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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: Mmalioni] #723407
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I don't understand why the outfit being a strong family means so much to you you seem like the type of guy who would let them take everything you had and thought it was cool to hang around some wiseguys, that shit cracks the board up.

Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: Mmalioni] #723408
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There's 2 squads in Chicago one for the mob and one for eastern European crime. Not one for both

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“Fifteen years ago, we had two organized crime squads (in Chicago) focused strictly on the Outfit,” he said. “Now we have one that, a part of their apparatus is focused on the Outfit, but the other is focused almost exclusively on Eastern European organized crime activity.” Thats a quote from the fbi


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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: SgWaue86] #723411
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Originally Posted By: SgWaue86
No there's not those 12 also investigate eastern european, cartels, and other froms of oc. Chicagos Italian mob is on it's very last legs.



you honestly believe that no young Italian males wannabe Mafioso's?

Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: Mmalioni] #723416
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My bad read it wrong. I have never even heard of eastern European crime in Chicago? By eastern European do they mean Russians?

Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: Mmalioni] #723420
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Ya thats what i thought of when i read it. But what we would just call russain mafia actually comes from alot of other countries from around russia so the fbi catgorizes it as eastern european organized crime.


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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: NickyEyes1] #723425
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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
My bad read it wrong. I have never even heard of eastern European crime in Chicago? By eastern European do they mean Russians?


It's what the feds refer to as "Eurasian Organized Crime." The Russians are the first group that come to mind for many. They're the most infamous and Russia straddles both Europe and Asia. But it's also groups from various Eastern European countries - Ukrainians, Armenians, etc.


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Ok but I've never heard about those groups in Chicago. I know they're in Florida and New York.

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i was thinking maybe polish?


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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: NickyEyes1] #723433
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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Ok but I've never heard about those groups in Chicago. I know they're in Florida and New York.


There was a local news story about this a while back. Done in typical Goudie style ("New Kings of Crime") but still interesting.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=8918424


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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: Five_Felonies] #723436
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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
i was thinking maybe polish?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1991-06-06/news/9102200287_1_crime-ring-illegal-immigrants-goods heres a story about the polish from the 90s


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Re: State of the Chicago Outfit [Re: Mmalioni] #723545
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Here's a question, just for laughs: If DiFronzio is indeed a "snitch," as some people suggest, what/whom do you think he's snitching on?

I don't think it would be the South Side crew. There simply are not enough arrests to warrant such a conclusion IMO.

I think--if he is, which is a big, big *if*--it would be on other organized crime: the Eastern Europeans, and probably particularly on the Middle Eastern operations that are potentially raising money for terrorist organizations.

That being said, I doubt he's a snitch. And the Outfit is so diminshed that he might not even really hear all that much about the above these days. Twenty years ago? He probably knew every thing that went down in the Chicago underworld. These days? Probably not.

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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
Here's a question, just for laughs: If DiFronzio is indeed a "snitch," as some people suggest, what/whom do you think he's snitching on?

I don't think it would be the South Side crew. There simply are not enough arrests to warrant such a conclusion IMO.

I think--if he is, which is a big, big *if*--it would be on other organized crime: the Eastern Europeans, and probably particularly on the Middle Eastern operations that are potentially raising money for terrorist organizations.

That being said, I doubt he's a snitch. And the Outfit is so diminshed that he might not even really hear all that much about the above these days. Twenty years ago? He probably knew every thing that went down in the Chicago underworld. These days? Probably not.





if the syndicate had enough juice to find nick calabreses whereabouts in 2005, then they definitely had enough juice to figure out if difronzo was snitching 25 years ago

Elmwood park is gonna make people as soon as he drops dead or fully retires

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If you read my post you would see that I am hypothesizing that DiFronzo would be a "snitch" regarding other underworld criminals and organizations, not the Outfit.

When did the Outfit find Nick?

You mean when they heard he'd been whisked out of prison to WITSEC?

Hardly insider information. He was in general pop one day and then he was gone. Not exactly rocket science to figure out what happened.

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jonnynonos and chicago have given this thread a breath of frsh air and some reality, kudos


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Originally Posted By: jonnynonos
Here's a question, just for laughs: If DiFronzio is indeed a "snitch," as some people suggest, what/whom do you think he's snitching on?

I don't think it would be the South Side crew. There simply are not enough arrests to warrant such a conclusion IMO.

I think--if he is, which is a big, big *if*--it would be on other organized crime: the Eastern Europeans, and probably particularly on the Middle Eastern operations that are potentially raising money for terrorist organizations.

That being said, I doubt he's a snitch. And the Outfit is so diminshed that he might not even really hear all that much about the above these days. Twenty years ago? He probably knew every thing that went down in the Chicago underworld. These days? Probably not.



Good point, but is there anyone worth ratting on? Anyone powerful enough or violent enough to rat on?

Have there been any big busts in the last twenty years that he could have been an informant on? Sarno? Family Secrets? I don't think there is.

Would DiFronzo have known that Zizzo was going to disappear? Would he have approved it?

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Thanks Cheech. Jonnynonos & I have the right idea about the Outfit in 2013.
I can make a good argument either way about Johnny DiFronzo being a dry snitch. I am going to ask my father's former crimimal attorney's office a legal question.
The question is this: If the Government had indicted DiFronzo in the Family Secrets Case and he had been found 'not guilty', could the Government try him again concerning the same thing or would that constitute Double Jeopardy?

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DiFronzo had nothing to do with Zizzo disappearing. Zizzo belonged to the Cicero Crew. There was an internal dispute within the Southern Outfit Blue Collar group over Poker Machines. I seriously doubt he knew about it. Noone would have had the nerve to try and tell him in advance. Besides, since he retreated, he would have nothing to do with it nor would he care about it.

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I guess it would depend on the exact charges. But as you know, that is what almost got the FS convictions overturned.

Thanks Cheech!


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Thanks Cheech. Jonnynonos & I have the right idea about the Outfit in 2013.
I can make a good argument either way about Johnny DiFronzo being a dry snitch. I am going to ask my father's former crimimal attorney's office a legal question.
The question is this: If the Government had indicted DiFronzo in the Family Secrets Case and he had been found 'not guilty', could the Government try him again concerning the same thing or would that constitute Double Jeapordy?

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There is an interesting wire transcript on one of the last known Chicago Outfit hits, it's of a wire this guy wore on the guy who killed the Hatch, Anthony Calabrese.

It's pretty entertaining reading. This guy wearing the wire starts to try to get info and Calabrese and Robert Cooper freak out and either beat him up or came close to beating him up right there.

The Sun Times used to have it posted but no more.

Cooper ultimately pleaded guilty while Calabrese is in for life on other charges.

Cooper and Calabrese once also broke some tatto artists hands with a hammer for tattooing a mobster's underage daughter.

I think it might have been Fratto's kid, but can't remember.

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