Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Don't tell me what I do or don't know. I don't know the founding fathers or what they thought of gay marriage, there's really no documentation in regards to that. However, I do believe they thought that the constitution could be changed in the future in keeping with the times. An example of this are abolishing slavery. But who the fuck are you to get on your high horse and say what's immoral and what isn't?


Oh, that's right, guys like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, or John Adams would have been just peachy keen with things like abortion and gay marriage. rolleyes

And enough with this "keep up with the times" bullshit. If something is wrong, it's wrong, regardless of what year it is. And I'm not talking just morally, which I know you don't care about, but also legally. Once again, if states want to enact laws to allow gay marriage, so be it. But to argue there's any Constitutional basis for it is a lie. Just like the argument supporting abortion.


You know my personal views on these things. However I am in favor of gay marriage being left up to the states, but there is absolutely nothing in the constitution suggesting gay marriage is illegal or immoral. That's your view not George washingtons. A lot of things that we know to be wrong now weren't considered so back in the 18th century (no voting for women, slavery, etc) which is why one of the quotes dap posted has Madison stating that the constitution should be open to change.

I'm sure you would love to live in the 1950s ivy. You're a white religious guy living in Utah. But not blacks, women, gays, or Hispanics and many others. Today's world isn't perfect but id take it over 1953 any day


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