You talk as if you're are somehow privy to more up to date info than the rest of us. But it's obvious to me you're just talking out of your ass. One doesn't just have to look at quotes by the FBI. They can also look at cases in recent years, which show the mob in New York is still very much alive and not just "history." But, like many others before you, you're lazy, content to be ignorant, and don't bother to do that.

With all do respect to livelifenoregrets, but the guys who are running crews and made guys in general seem to have an average age of about 75. Furthermore, a joke? Lets see what happens if they start laying down 20 years for video poker machines and laying down 3 years for eating spaghetti and meatballs with a friend for violations of "supervised release". I guarantee you half of you guys would be singing like canaries. 3 years! HAHAHAH. Come on man. Try 10 for jaywalking!
And your prices are way off man, you would be getting drilled in the arse with slim margins on the sale side.

Are you seriously disputing the fact that the FBI and a number of high end federal prosecutors have a financial/political/media incentives to both inflate the power and influence of the mob? Nobody claimed as you said they left with nothing to do- but there is no doubt they get far better media time, federal government gigs and resume builders for locking up a dangerous Don Vito-like "mobster" (ie runs poker machines) than locking up a crip drug dealer or rapist in the projects.

not too mention that the feds have to justify arresting their target

they call everybody "smooth criminal" in press releases

but rapist in the projects have no longevity.....u get killed for that

Lol@ the canadians saying montreal mafia is more powerful then the US, rizzutos dominated for decades and in theyre prime they had 20 made guys! Gambinos genovese lucchessd and bonnanos are all far more powerful on theyre own, even the colombos who are pretty much destroyed are about on par.

If that was all they were interested in, why even in New York have the feds downgraded organized crime as a priority since 9/11, including downsizing and combining the squads that go after the 5 NY families? Why do they only recognize 10 remaining mob families, at most, when they could easily say there are more? Any those Crip drug-dealers and rapists get busted all the time. Too many people here just don't do their research.

gangs get investigated all the time just due to the fact that theres thousands of them. Also agents that are assigned to investigate lcn are believe it or not going to arrest a few of them every now and then. You cant blame them for doing what they have been assigned to do.

livelifenoregrets, You are basically correct. The New York Mafia( at least 4 of the 5 remaining Families) are an embarrassment, Rat infested, and Blue Collar small minded. The Chicago Outfit and the Detroit Mafia are much closer to the old Sicilian clan roots of being related by blood or marriage. The only big difference, is that the Chicago Outfit and the Detroit Partnership are basically White Collar while the Sicilian Clans main business is Narcotics. In America, the old BLUE COLLAR Mafia has no future. Some day in the future, the Canadian Mafia will face the same problems. It's only a matter of time.

Ivy, The reason why there are still some cases in New York is because they are still involved (in a smaller way than the past) with blue collar street activity like street Bookmaking and Loan Sharking. The reason why there is very little heard about cases in Chicago and Detroit is because they are INVOLVED IN WHITE COLLAR ACTIVITY which is much harder to prove any wrong doing. It's much more difficult to prosecute, let alone prove, union activity, bid rigging of major city contracts and so forth. The most recent was the bid rigging prosecution of Rudy Fratto. This is the kind of activity the Chicago Outfit of 2013 is involved in. So, it's very debatable, even among the Feds, as to whether the Outfit is weaker or just DIFFERENT. As far as street muscle, the Outfit and the entire American Mafia is weaker than years ago. No question. However, like Don Corleone said in the Godfather, a lawyer with a brief case can steal more money than a 1,000 men with guns. That's the ideology of the Outfit and the Detroit Partnership in 2013. Read your precious F.B.I. reports more closely, and you will see this is what they are saying about Chicago. They just don't have a handle on it because it's much less obvious than what was done years ago. Potentially, there is more money in the long run in White Collar Activity than in Blue Collar Activity. There is also much less risk of being prosecuted or convicted which means very little or no prison time and much less attorney fees. The days of Sam DeStefano and other guys from the Taylor Street Crew are long, long gone and will never return.

Using movies as references again

Yeh, why not? There's a lot a truth to that statement. They must not have lawyers in Scotland. lol

They fact that you're using movie references from Donnie Brasco and the godfather kind of diminish your credibility in some respect. However that being said I do think you have a point with your post. White collar crime is becoming much more frequent in American LCN these days

The Godfather was a fictional movie. Donnie Brasco was non fictional unless of course you don't want to believe agent Pistone because he told the truth about the Bonanno Family.

Truth about what? Yeah they got hit pretty bad. They came back to prominence under Joe Massino and then he flipped, and they haven't been the same since.

Hey elmwoodparker i like your posts on chicago,I like getting the local level info.

That being said noone is deneying that the colombo family is pathetic BUT they are in NY.Its like the best collage football team (chicago mob) against the worst NFL team (colombo).The worst NFL team will still beat the best collage team.If Chicagos is now going old school and only making blood ties that is extremely stupid because eventually they weill run out of recruits and are missing oppurtunities to have capable guys join their fold who will go and earn bythemselves

Elmwoodparker (who has been suspended again, thank God) isn't even worth responding to anymore. When it comes to him, you're not talking to an objective observer. Or even a knowledgeable one. This guy constantly references MOVIES to make his case. The Outfit is the "real life Corleone family," while the NY families are all standing around cracking into parking meters (i.e. Donnie Brasco). It's obvious he's just here to hype his hometown mob family like many others have done before.

Ivy, I read a lot of elmwoodparker's postings. He wasn't all wrong and seemed fairly knowledgeable about the Older Outfit. It seemed like he was on some kind of mission to antagonize anyone who thought any of the New York Groups were superior to The Outfit. He also invented in his own mind what the Outfit is today. In reality, it is only a shadow of what it used to be. Attrition, law enforcement & John DiFronzo, have brought the Outfit to an all time low. He kind of sounded like a little kid who was upset that his heroes really don't exist anymore.

That pretty much sums it up. It's not that some of these Chicago posters don't have good information to pass on. But the ones who drift into "fanboyism" shoot their own credibility down. It's hard to be objective when you're basically rooting for your hometown crime family like it's the local football team.