I like you and Hairy and i think you both bring completely different and appreciated things to the site. However i think what you've said here is untrue and unnecessary Hairy contributes massively to this site especially regarding the 20s-70s era.

Either you two guys get a room somewhere or I'll find one for ya (far away from the boards). Act like grownups and stop this shit!!

Thank you Cam. That´s nice of you to say. Most posters contribute a lot to this site. You are one of them. I enjoy reading your posts. Keep it up!

Some info i found on Pollaccia's adventures and RUMOURS....

Joe the Boss” was violently deposed in a Coney Island restaurant on April 15, 1931, and the legends say “Lucky” Luciano set him up. During a private card game with the boss, Luciano supposedly stepped into the bathroom just as a team of handpicked assassins entered the restaurant. Various underworld figures have been named as participants in the assassination, including Vito Genovese, Joe Adonis, Albert Anastasia and Benjamin Siegel.

The legend, however, turns out to be generally untrue. The boss was known to be lunching that day with Sam Pollaccia, who by that time might have risen as high as underboss or consigliere(me:it is not known) in the Masseria organization.

Other Masseria lieutenants might have been present, including Luciano. But it was far from a Masseria-Luciano tкte-а-tкte, and no reliable account of the period mentions the tale of Luciano’s conveniently timed trip to the bathroom.

As Brooklyn detectives tried to get to the bottom of Masseria’s assassination, they are known to have brought Pollaccia in for questioning. Pollaccia denied any knowledge of or involvement in the killing.

Some years later, when the Kings County district attorney’s office probed the Murder, Inc., organization, it discovered a report that Pollaccia and a small group of men were with Masseria, as “Johnny Silk Stockings” Giustra entered the restaurant behind Masseria and shot the boss to death. None of the other men in the restaurant apparently did anything to interfere with Giustra, who by himself easily could have delivered all five slugs found in Masseria’s body.


Giustra was a Brooklyn labor racketeer and possible rival to the organization of Vincent Mangano and Albert Anastasia at the Brooklyn waterfront. Less than a month after Masseria’s killing, Giustra was found dead in a Bronx apartment building.13 If that killing was related to Masseria’s death rather than to labor racket rivalry, it could be interpreted as an effort by Mafia leaders to remove an individual who linked them with the boss’s assassination.

Salvatore Maranzano, victor of the Castellammarese War, assumed the title and responsibilities of boss of bosses of the American Mafia in April 1931. But he, too, was assassinated, gunned down in his Manhattan offices on Sept. 10, 1931.14 The old group of anti-Masseria conspirators looks to have been involved in that killing as well.

source: http://www.onewal.com/a018/f_pollacciap04.html

The top positions within the Masseria Family in and around the time of the Castellammarese war is actually crystal clear. Gentile mentioned Pollaccia as Masseria´s consigliere so there is no doubt about Pollaccia´s position. I have the passage right in front of me. Other sources, Gentile, Valachi and Bonanno included, mentioned Pepe Morello as Masseria´s underboss.

Toddo, close to all info (if not all) you can find on the NY Mafia in and around the time of the Castellammarese war is derived from Gentile, Valachi and Bonanno. Those are the "mothers of all sources" and serve as basis for all (accurate) articles and books you may find on the subject. (NY Mafia Castellammarese war.)

The role of the Consigliere in Chicago was different than in New York. Just like the structure of The Outfit was different than New York. In Chicago, The Consigliere had tremendous power and respect because he was the former Top Boss of the Outfit or the Former #2 Boss of the Outfit (Ricca & Accardo). They very rarely settled disputes among members. They gave ADVICE and used their political connections to help the Current Top Boss make intelligent decisions.

tony accardo and sam giancana had the same agreement with ricca

ricca was consigliere and held the power

accardo and giancana were the "top boss" aka the fall guy

ricca and accardo stepped in when the southside 1st started killing each other

Cook County, How are you? I have my hands full debating with a couple of these New York Fan Boys! LOL! Anyway, I kind of enjoy it. Well I agree with you, but not completely. Ricca was the former Top Boss and then became a Consigliere. That's true. However, Accardo was never the Top Boss of The Outfit. He was the #2 under Ricca, THEN he semi-retired and became co-consigliere with Ricca when Giancana became the Top Boss. Accardo then wanted Cerone to be the #2 under Giancana, but Mooney refused. That was my understanding from my Uncle.

You're back a few hours and you're starting the same old shit already. One warning. DON'T!! You won't be warned again.

SC, It was a joke Because when I was gone I saw a lot of debating happening. Don't worry there is no problem. You've got to expect SOME debating on the forums> Right? I'm not the only one who gets into debates. Ivy and Skinny and Caramel are big debaters. I really don't see it as a problem but I will adhere to your warning. Again, It was a joke.