0 registered members (),
70
guests, and 30
spiders. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums21
Topics43,472
Posts1,090,296
Members10,381
|
Most Online1,254 Mar 13th, 2025
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: Ted]
#719634
06/10/13 08:04 AM
06/10/13 08:04 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 5,600 Underground
Toodoped
Murder Ink
|
Murder Ink

Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 5,600
Underground
|
At least he was one of the dons that successfully wrote a book....Luciano died on the way on making a deal,also Frank Costello was convinced by Peter Maas to tell his story,but Frank died 10 days later
Last edited by Toodoped; 06/10/13 08:05 AM.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: americafyeah]
#719694
06/10/13 01:45 PM
06/10/13 01:45 PM
|
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,684 new jersey
thebigfella
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,684
new jersey
|
Joe didnt snitch, u just have to take ur hat off to rudy gulliani for being smart and creative, joe did a year in jail in his eighties because he would'nt snitch, and after he got chased outvof new york he ran his own small family in arizona, its been said even in old age mobsters went to arizona to seek his advice
"McGurn likes you, so I make you. So you are now one of us, if you fuck up, we take it out on McGurn. He is your sponsor. Fuck up, it's his ass. You work in his crew, he is your capo."
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: americafyeah]
#719767
06/10/13 09:21 PM
06/10/13 09:21 PM
|
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,531
Lou_Para
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,531
|
I read the book a while ago,and though Bonanno mentions Families and the Commission,a lot of the book is a self serving ego fest. When he refers to Mafia Bosses as "Fathers" and to Mob life as his "Tradition", it's pretty laughable. If you didn't know better,and read his book you would think that most of the time,the Mafia works like this: "My friend Giovanni has a bakery,but the poor man can't get flour because of the war. My friend Vito has a flour mill,but can't deliver because his horse is sick. So i ask my friend Vincenzo,who was a farmer back home, to look at the horse.The horse gets well, Giovanni gets his flour and everyone is happy. Maybe at Christmas I get a loaf of bread from Giovanni,but that would be out of gratitude and certainly not because he felt compelled. Honest,we're just a bunch of Friends who help each other out. And sometimes kill people. Oh shit, did I write that last part down? ummm Non Capisce,arrividerci."
Last edited by Lou_Para; 06/10/13 09:23 PM.
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: Lou_Para]
#719772
06/10/13 09:30 PM
06/10/13 09:30 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,721 AZ
Turnbull
|

Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 19,721
AZ
|
In "Donnie Brasco," Pistone mentions that some of the Bonannos cursed out Joe for writing his book. They didn't exactly call him a snitch, but you could infer that readily. But, he couldn't have envisioned that Giuliani would use the book as the basis of the RICO prosecution in the famous "Commission" case. The book is a great read as long as you take what he says with about a ton of salt. He provides the best extant account of the Castellemmarese War of 1930-31. But, as Lou said, it's self serving even by autobiography standards. To hear him tell it, he never even jaywalked after Prohibition was repealed--just acted as a "major public benefactor." 
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: americafyeah]
#719782
06/10/13 10:34 PM
06/10/13 10:34 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 667 boston/north end
Joerusso
consigleire
|
consigleire
Underboss
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 667
boston/north end
|
you cant say he is a snitch frown upon him for writing the book is pne thing but to be labeled a stoolie is big time he never took the stand did his his time and to his death was well respected frowned upon he may have but still highly respected
raymond l.s.patrairca sr to u.s. state committee- " if i didnt have my case coming up ill to come back in here with two gentlemen and when this is over with and really lay down the law, yous guys been giving me nothing but alot of hookwhick and i wish i wasnt on trial and have this case and really tell the united states whats going on " Jerry Anguilo on wartime with winter hill - " If we got to war we got Joe Russo and the maverick boys so we have nothing to worry about they can go to vietnam and come back untouched "
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: Ted]
#719785
06/10/13 10:48 PM
06/10/13 10:48 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,881 The Jokers Social Club
DickNose_Moltasanti
BANNED
|
BANNED
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,881
The Jokers Social Club
|
He broke Omerta, but I don't think you can consider it ratting in the strictest sense. He never testified and took jail time when the government tried to force him too. When did he go to jail for contempt?
Random Poster:"I'm sorry I didn't go to an Ivy-league school like you"
"Ah I actually I didn't. It's a nickname the feds gave the Genovese Family."
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: americafyeah]
#719789
06/10/13 11:06 PM
06/10/13 11:06 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 667 boston/north end
Joerusso
consigleire
|
consigleire
Underboss
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 667
boston/north end
|
and i think he did 18 months after he got kidnapped and didnt asnwer questions at the grand jury ...yea pretty sure about that
raymond l.s.patrairca sr to u.s. state committee- " if i didnt have my case coming up ill to come back in here with two gentlemen and when this is over with and really lay down the law, yous guys been giving me nothing but alot of hookwhick and i wish i wasnt on trial and have this case and really tell the united states whats going on " Jerry Anguilo on wartime with winter hill - " If we got to war we got Joe Russo and the maverick boys so we have nothing to worry about they can go to vietnam and come back untouched "
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: americafyeah]
#719793
06/10/13 11:15 PM
06/10/13 11:15 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 527
tommykarate
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 527
|
Dam joe.that was wrote perfectly.I could read it so easy compared to some of ur others man lol
One thing about wiseguys...the hustle never ends.-tony soprano
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: Lou_Para]
#719892
06/11/13 01:21 PM
06/11/13 01:21 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 5,600 Underground
Toodoped
Murder Ink
|
Murder Ink

Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 5,600
Underground
|
I read the book a while ago,and though Bonanno mentions Families and the Commission,a lot of the book is a self serving ego fest. When he refers to Mafia Bosses as "Fathers" and to Mob life as his "Tradition", it's pretty laughable. If you didn't know better,and read his book you would think that most of the time,the Mafia works like this: "My friend Giovanni has a bakery,but the poor man can't get flour because of the war. My friend Vito has a flour mill,but can't deliver because his horse is sick. So i ask my friend Vincenzo,who was a farmer back home, to look at the horse.The horse gets well, Giovanni gets his flour and everyone is happy. Maybe at Christmas I get a loaf of bread from Giovanni,but that would be out of gratitude and certainly not because he felt compelled. Honest,we're just a bunch of Friends who help each other out. And sometimes kill people. Oh shit, did I write that last part down? ummm Non Capisce,arrividerci." Nicely said! 
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: DickNose_Moltasanti]
#719896
06/11/13 01:34 PM
06/11/13 01:34 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 5,600 Underground
Toodoped
Murder Ink
|
Murder Ink

Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 5,600
Underground
|
I like when they show Bonanano in the Bioflick on his birthday he's all senile. " I love you all" - Joe Bonanno Yeee Joe was a great actor!Too bad he wasnt doin the role of Don Vito Corleone,a respected gentleman...
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: Lou_Para]
#720295
06/13/13 06:31 PM
06/13/13 06:31 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,022 UK
streetbossliborio
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,022
UK
|
I read the book a while ago,and though Bonanno mentions Families and the Commission,a lot of the book is a self serving ego fest. When he refers to Mafia Bosses as "Fathers" and to Mob life as his "Tradition", it's pretty laughable. If you didn't know better,and read his book you would think that most of the time,the Mafia works like this: "My friend Giovanni has a bakery,but the poor man can't get flour because of the war. My friend Vito has a flour mill,but can't deliver because his horse is sick. So i ask my friend Vincenzo,who was a farmer back home, to look at the horse.The horse gets well, Giovanni gets his flour and everyone is happy. Maybe at Christmas I get a loaf of bread from Giovanni,but that would be out of gratitude and certainly not because he felt compelled. Honest,we're just a bunch of Friends who help each other out. And sometimes kill people. Oh shit, did I write that last part down? ummm Non Capisce,arrividerci." to a certain extent but he must believe that. the guy was brought up to be a godfather with the name bonnano. and dont forget in Sicily when he was growing the 'fathers' were highly respected as people. the name bonnano was seen as elite. i can see where he makes these statements as he is looking back at his past and what his father taught him. but yeah he definitely forgets to leave out the murders, the drugs he denies and even condemns. this autobiography was for his kids and for people to remember him by. i would leave the shit out too.
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: streetbossliborio]
#720360
06/14/13 03:27 AM
06/14/13 03:27 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,418 Secret location (WITSEC)
HairyKnuckles
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 2,418
Secret location (WITSEC)
|
I read the book a while ago,and though Bonanno mentions Families and the Commission,a lot of the book is a self serving ego fest. When he refers to Mafia Bosses as "Fathers" and to Mob life as his "Tradition", it's pretty laughable. If you didn't know better,and read his book you would think that most of the time,the Mafia works like this: "My friend Giovanni has a bakery,but the poor man can't get flour because of the war. My friend Vito has a flour mill,but can't deliver because his horse is sick. So i ask my friend Vincenzo,who was a farmer back home, to look at the horse.The horse gets well, Giovanni gets his flour and everyone is happy. Maybe at Christmas I get a loaf of bread from Giovanni,but that would be out of gratitude and certainly not because he felt compelled. Honest,we're just a bunch of Friends who help each other out. And sometimes kill people. Oh shit, did I write that last part down? ummm Non Capisce,arrividerci." to a certain extent but he must believe that. the guy was brought up to be a godfather with the name bonnano. and dont forget in Sicily when he was growing the 'fathers' were highly respected as people. the name bonnano was seen as elite. i can see where he makes these statements as he is looking back at his past and what his father taught him. but yeah he definitely forgets to leave out the murders, the drugs he denies and even condemns. this autobiography was for his kids and for people to remember him by. i would leave the shit out too. Good post. Some few passages in his book are written metaphorically. That´s something to keep in mind before denouncing the book. And yes, he leaves out murders he ordered or commited and he never mentions anybody alive involved with that life by the time the book was released. How can anyone claim that the leaving out of incriminating stuff is not understandable? The existence of the Commission was a known fact before the book came out so the claim of him exposing it, is far fetched. To fully enjoy the book, you need to understand Bonanno and where Bonanno comes from. If you fail doing this, knowledge about the early Mafia and what it was all supposed to be about, will be lost on you. And that´s a shame if you have a burning interest in the history of the Mafia.
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: HairyKnuckles]
#720371
06/14/13 05:38 AM
06/14/13 05:38 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 5,600 Underground
Toodoped
Murder Ink
|
Murder Ink

Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 5,600
Underground
|
I read the book a while ago,and though Bonanno mentions Families and the Commission,a lot of the book is a self serving ego fest. When he refers to Mafia Bosses as "Fathers" and to Mob life as his "Tradition", it's pretty laughable. If you didn't know better,and read his book you would think that most of the time,the Mafia works like this: "My friend Giovanni has a bakery,but the poor man can't get flour because of the war. My friend Vito has a flour mill,but can't deliver because his horse is sick. So i ask my friend Vincenzo,who was a farmer back home, to look at the horse.The horse gets well, Giovanni gets his flour and everyone is happy. Maybe at Christmas I get a loaf of bread from Giovanni,but that would be out of gratitude and certainly not because he felt compelled. Honest,we're just a bunch of Friends who help each other out. And sometimes kill people. Oh shit, did I write that last part down? ummm Non Capisce,arrividerci." to a certain extent but he must believe that. the guy was brought up to be a godfather with the name bonnano. and dont forget in Sicily when he was growing the 'fathers' were highly respected as people. the name bonnano was seen as elite. i can see where he makes these statements as he is looking back at his past and what his father taught him. but yeah he definitely forgets to leave out the murders, the drugs he denies and even condemns. this autobiography was for his kids and for people to remember him by. i would leave the shit out too. Good post. Some few passages in his book are written metaphorically. That´s something to keep in mind before denouncing the book. And yes, he leaves out murders he ordered or commited and he never mentions anybody alive involved with that life by the time the book was released. How can anyone claim that the leaving out of incriminating stuff is not understandable? The existence of the Commission was a known fact before the book came out so the claim of him exposing it, is far fetched. To fully enjoy the book, you need to understand Bonanno and where Bonanno comes from. If you fail doing this, knowledge about the early Mafia and what it was all supposed to be about, will be lost on you. And that´s a shame if you have a burning interest in the history of the Mafia. Joe sold drugs and ordered many hits....there's no honor in thouse thins.Yes,Bonanno came from a well known and honored family,but he wasn't.He just used that to write a "Godfather book" and that's that...
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: americafyeah]
#720408
06/14/13 11:29 AM
06/14/13 11:29 AM
|
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,531
Lou_Para
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,531
|
What the Mafia was supposed to be and what it was are two radically different things. It is generally accepted that the genesis of the "Men of Respect" came in post feudal Sicily when land ownership was taken from the nobility and opened up to the private citizens.
Many newly prosperous landowners found the need to hire men to protect their property during the turbulent transition period that followed. Soon protection became "protection". within a few years,the newly invigorated economy became a source of money and power for the "Friends". The real boom came in urban areas such as Palermo. With so many more farms,ranches,citrus groves,etc.being operated by the new citizen class of owners, new opportunities for crime arose.
Landowners were pressured into hiring men with connections to the Mafia,voting to support candidates that were Mafia friendly (or Mafia themselves),and of course,paying protection. There are accounts of Mafiosi engaging in smuggling,counterfeiting,and various other crimes. This all occurred in the latter half of the nineteenth century.
At some very early point, the Mafia may have been a semi-noble concept,but it took a very divergent path very quickly. Organized crime groups (of any ethnicity),start by preying on their own.The term "Men of Respect" was used by Mafiosi themselves when referring to each other,and I doubt that it was ever used by their victims.
|
|
|
Re: Joe Bonanno's autobiography=ratting?
[Re: streetbossliborio]
#721001
06/18/13 04:09 PM
06/18/13 04:09 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 5,600 Underground
Toodoped
Murder Ink
|
Murder Ink

Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 5,600
Underground
|
interesting post lou para. toodoped you are a weird argumentative creep that is trying to annoy ppl. and elmwood parker why do you compare everything to chicago. i bet them mafia guys would eat you alive stop "repping" them. havent been on for a while. these idiots need binning trying to start childish arguments. over 18s only please Take a cup of tea and shut up.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
|
|
|
|