Originally Posted By: BordertownResident
Originally Posted By: americafyeah
i'm not defending the zetas, but there are countless threads on here that show admiration for mobsters like roy demeo when in reality mexico has hundreds of roy demeos working for the cartels.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28824519/ns/world_news-americas/t/mexico-man-admits-dissolving-bodies/

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/20...rosecutors-say/

i don't understand how someone like demeo who killed and disposed of bodies is any different or better than what the cartels are doing, only on a much larger scale.

Yeah but the total death toll in Mexico isn't an accurate representation on what's happening in Mexico because the murders are never investigated, you really have to know or research/understand "narco" politics to get a more accurate estimation. Also, it's not a single "thing" that is happening in Mexico but series of events . To give you a clear understandin on how skewed the stastistics relating to organized crime in Mexico, I am going to brief you on the death toll and what happened on the 2007-2011 war between the Sinaloa Cartel and Juarez Cartel(the one with the most deaths). For a deep analyis of the whole thing, here is a good article from InsightCrime about the whole thing. http://www.insightcrime.org/juarez-war-s...inners-gang-war . Basically the Sinaloa Cartel's armed wing invaded because "El JL" the head of La Linea(Juarez Cartel) was well known to really cause trouble to both parties, from charging too much to pass drugs, impose a tax a personal tax on both Juarez Cartel/Sinaloa Cartel members operating in the city, over compensating the upper echelon of the Juarez Cartel and undercompensating the lower level members or parties, and more. He eventually caused the power structure to break and scatter, some members remained with the Juarez Cartel other joined the Sinaloa Cartel. El "JL" basically told "El Flaco"(and Chapo), a Sinaloa Cartel lieutenant and the guy responsible and behind drug trafficking for through the Juarez corridor to hit hit the road. War was declared and the Sinaloa Cartel's "Gente Nueva" or armed group came to Juarez and started to kill police officers(that were La Linea members) or threat them to join them or they were going to get killed. War was ensued, Sinaloa Cartel started to hire the 900 local street gangs as cannon fodder or foot soldiers in the upcoming war. Juarez used the Barrio Azteca street gang as cannon fodder or soldiers but unlike the Mexicles, Barrio Azteca had an hierchy/structure and was controlling the local distribution for the Juarez Cartel/La Linea. The Mexicles started to target the distribution sites, Barrio Azteca fought back and 10,000 people were killed in Juarez during 2007-2011. Most of dead were either Mexicles or Barrio Azteca gang members but about 80 Juarez Cartel/La Linea members were killed ,not sure how many Sinaloa Cartel members or enforcers were killed. About half of the 10,000 killed were disputes within the Barrio Azteca gangs because some Barrio Azteca shot callers were siding with the Sinaloa Cartel thus ensuing an internal war within Barrio Azteca.

Obviously not all of the 10,000 dead was a result of the war between the Sinaloa Cartel and Juarez Cartel. Juarez has always been a rough town and had always had about 400 or so murders per year.


Thanks for the detailed rundown. I also thought it would be impossible to know the true death tolls. I've heard of the Juarez/Beltran Leyva subgroup La Linea, their war with Sinaloa made national headlines here stateside as well. Some of the numbers are mind boggling. I remember hearing in the news about Oscar Garcia who confessed to 600 murders, and claims to have personally taken part in 300 himself http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/12/oscar-garcia-suspected-me_n_925393.html
And El Diego who claimed responsibility for 1,500 killings http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...g-killings.html
El Diego was an ex-police officer, too. It sounds like from what you're saying, the majority of the murders were between gangs of street-level dealers. The Barrio Azteca you're referring to is the same as the one that started in Texas? Are the gangs in Jaurez very Americanized like they are in Central America? from the pictures ive seen and youtube videos some of the Juarez gangs like Barrio 22 have adopted the cholo look popularized in Los Angeles, but which actually has roots in El Paso right across the border from Juarez. I do think it's mind numbing to imagine a city of 1 million has 900 gangs, even Los Angeles with 3 times the population couldn't compare. It sounds like the cartels have completely absorbed the gangs there. That's kind of similar to how the prison gangs are now calling all of the shots for the street gangs in california. Is it true the murder rate in Juarez is slowly going back to normal levels, and what do you attribute that to?