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Re: VITO GENOVESE
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06/04/13 10:25 AM
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Vito tried to get permission from the commission to kill costello a few times before and they would'nt give it, so he tried to kill him against thier will and nothing happened to him, from mu understanding he also killed anastasia without thier permission and still, nothing happenned
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Re: VITO GENOVESE
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06/04/13 03:42 PM
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Vito don't get enough credit for being a sly fox Vito had machiavellian skills but he was a very violent and greedy man...in other words,blind.
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Re: VITO GENOVESE
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06/04/13 06:18 PM
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Frank had the commission but vito had the streets, when its all said and done its better to have the streets on ur side: gotti, merlino, the cigar etc...
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Re: VITO GENOVESE
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06/05/13 11:04 AM
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Genovese did, however, obtain approval for the crimes after the fact. It was an extraordinary sequence of events that Attorney General Kennedy noted in September 1963, when he stated that Genovese "… wanted Commission approval for these acts-which he has received." The Genovese plot against Anastasia and Costello and the ex post facto commission approval were integral events in the rise to dominance of organized crime figures for the years that followed. It directly led to the assemblage of national syndicate leaders at the Apalachin conference three weeks after the Anastasia murder, and to the rise of Carlo Gambino to a position of pre-eminence in La Costa Nostra.
As i said,there was a changing of the guard.
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Re: VITO GENOVESE
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06/05/13 12:14 PM
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But he seeked the commission approval a few times to kill frank sndvthey refused, and frank wasnt really a violent person Not true. Genovese never asked for approval to hit Costello. After the fact, he claimed (falsely) that Gigante had shot Costello on his own, without Genovese´s consent. But how exactly he managed to save Gigante is not known. Anastasia however wanted war. Although no evidence of it, I believe the Commission met and solved the issue and thereby avoided a war, by approving the hit on Anastasia. Probably because the Commission members found Anastasia harder to restrain. At the same time, Genovese had support from Lucchese who had for a long time competed for influence in the same political sphere as Costello. So Lucchese was glad to see Costello gone. Anastasia, fatally, had no support on the Commission.
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Re: VITO GENOVESE
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06/05/13 06:26 PM
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as far as getting back at Gambino, who had consolidated his own power after Vito's imprisonment. This is Vito Genovese we're talking about, i have a feeling he could of gotten someone to do the work. Where did it first originate that Genovese was setup by Luciano, Gambino, and Lansky? Have made guys ever been caught on tape talking about it? Did Valachi have anything in his book on that? Just curious..thanks.
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Re: VITO GENOVESE
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06/05/13 10:46 PM
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The theory that lanskey and the fellas set vito up is false, they was able to connect vito to the drug dealer through conspiracy, they knew mutual people and he was in the same company with vito once before eventhough vito never dpoke to him, couppled with the fact that the fellas didnt take care fo him like he thought they would after he got locked up so he flipped, but that lanskey myth is just that
"McGurn likes you, so I make you. So you are now one of us, if you fuck up, we take it out on McGurn. He is your sponsor. Fuck up, it's his ass. You work in his crew, he is your capo."
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Re: VITO GENOVESE
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06/06/13 03:05 PM
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The best theory about who killed Anastasia was that it was a conspiracy led by Joe Biondo. Under Mangano, Biondo was the consigliere but was demoted to captain by Anastasia. Steve Armone was part of his group. Jerry Capeci covered this in more detail. There's no proof that Genovese had anything to do with it.
Genovese gets credit for more than he did. He was said to have hired Carmine Galante to kill Carlo Tresca in 1943. The major problem here is that Genovese and Galante were in different borgatas, and Tresca was known to have gone after Frank Garofalo in his newspaper. It's clear that the order came from Joe Bonanno or Frank Garofalo. Genovese had nothing to do with it.
As for who set up Genovese against Costello, it was discovered that Tony Bender was giving both Genovese and Costello information against each other, so Genovese was led to believe that Costello was going after him. Costello and Genovese reconciled in prison and the order was given to make Bender "disappear;" and regarding Genovese going to prison for narcotics trafficking, Tom Tripodi of the Bureau of Narcotics wrote that he helped in "setting him up."
A known dealer was recognized by Genovese. He said "Hi" or something to him, and that act of recognition was used against him to put him away. Other Mob members who were around during that time period and knew him denied that Genovese was a drug trafficker. No doubt he took a cut from the proceeds from members of his crime family who were traffickers, but probably gave lip service to the order to lay off drugs of face the death penalty. It seems what they did instead was to cut off all aid to their members who were arrested for drugs.
Vito Genovese's time as boss of the former Costello crime family lasted for eleven years, but almost ten of those were in prison in Atlanta. For most of the time Genovese was boss, his crime family was run by his underboss, Gerry Catena. For all the claims about Genovese being a "boss of bosses" or the most powerful boss on the Commission, the evidence shows that simply wasn't true. In fact, the whole claim that one boss gave orders to the others is bogus. All of the New York bosses were equal, except for Joe Bonanno who essentially lost his Family and was in a war from 1964 to 1968. Carlo Gambino didn't move up to become boss of bosses after Genovese went to prison or died: there was no boss of bosses, not since 1931.
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Re: VITO GENOVESE
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06/06/13 04:30 PM
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While Lucchese was still alive, Gambino was his puppet. I agree to a certain degree with you on that. People don't realise the power Tommy Lucchese wielded. Gambino didn't become #1 until Lucchese died in 67 i think it was. Carlo made a smart move having his son marry Luccheses daughter. Well, there was no #1 in a sense that #1 controlled everything. One boss, one vote on the Commission. What it all came down to was to have allies on the Commission. It all worked while there were two philosphical blocs on the Commission. When the conservative bloc was no more, the idea of having a Commission, went downhill. I agree with you that it was a smart move by Gambino having his son marry Lucchese´s daughter. I´m sure you know this, but having offspring marrying eachother to strengthen and preserve a friendship/business relationship between two bosses with same philosophy and mentality did not start with Gambino. It´s a tradition as old as the Sicilian mountains.
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