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Would they make someone half Irish these days? #718713
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Would friends make someone who was half Italian, half Irish these days?

Re: Would they make someone half Irish these days? [Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci] #718721
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If the proposed guy was a good earner and they thought he would be as stand-up guy then I'm sure they would. Someone on here will know more than I do but I'm sure there are a couple of examples.

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James Marcello mother was Irish and he was boss of Chicago.


From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.

Re: Would they make someone half Irish these days? [Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci] #718798
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i read somewhere tony mirra was half irish


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Re: Would they make someone half Irish these days? [Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci] #718799
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i think in the book im reading now contract killer, not sure though....reading so many damn things


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Re: Would they make someone half Irish these days? [Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci] #718808
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theyre not supposed to, but if its not well known or the guy is well liked i doubt anyone would say anything.

Re: Would they make someone half Irish these days? [Re: F_white] #718815
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Originally Posted By: F_white
James Marcello mother was Irish and he was boss of Chicago.


Exactly. I remember people opining that they must not have known that but I don't believe it. His dad was a mobster too, for one. Plus just looking at him he has the finest Irish features.

Apparently they just didn't care.

Re: Would they make someone half Irish these days? [Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci] #718818
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A few made guys from Boston are from Irish heritage and made..salemme was the boss,,,jimmy martorano is a capo an there are a couple others...

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Originally Posted By: meffaboston
A few made guys from Boston are from Irish heritage and made..salemme was the boss,,,jimmy martorano is a capo an there are a couple others...

Martorano was never a capo. Actually hated Angiulo and "In Town."

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They would consider them like any other prospective and it may or may not be taken into account, but unless someone else is going out of there way to make a beef about it probably not, its just like Skinny said even in New York that stuff can fly , I can think of almost a dozen off the top of my head and in Boston Frank Salleme who was half irish himself, made his brother, and his son Frank Jr who's mother was Irish as well leaving him one quarter Italian and making him the only known three-quarter-paddy or anything else for that matter to be made, as far as I know.

Re: Would they make someone half Irish these days? [Re: jonnynonos] #718838
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Remember that the commission change the rule in the 80's early 90's that guys need to be half Italians on the father side so it can trace it back to Italy.


From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.

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Ok James martorano us a capo ...your pro thinking of john,,James is a player in quincy area...

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Re: Would they make someone half Irish these days? [Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci] #718857
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Johnny martorano turned states evidence,,his brother James was one of the ones that went down with howie winter in the horse race fixing at suffolk downs... Not sure when he was made but he def is..and I know that his is still around,,he did a bid not sure the time frame...

Re: Would they make someone half Irish these days? [Re: F_white] #718860
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Originally Posted By: F_white
Remember that the commission change the rule in the 80's early 90's that guys need to be half Italians on the father side so it can trace it back to Italy.


Supposedly, they changed it back to full Italian in the early 2000's. Though I imagine some well-connected guys, who are only partially Italian, can still get made.

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Re: Would they make someone half Irish these days? [Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci] #718862
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jimmy did 3 and half to 5 or so years im not sure of the exact years but it was around that ballpark figure and i think he was made right after he came home of his appeal of the race fixing case he didnt do that much time on that case


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Re: Would they make someone half Irish these days? [Re: cheech] #718941
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Originally Posted By: cheech
i read somewhere tony mirra was half irish


Mirra was full blooded Italian. His father´s name was Albert Mirra and his mother was a Embarrato. I think she was the sister of Al "Walker" Embarrato, the Bonanno member.


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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
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i read somewhere tony mirra was half irish


Mirra was full blooded Italian. His father´s name was Albert Mirra and his mother was a Embarrato. I think she was the sister of Al "Walker" Embarrato, the Bonanno member.



that doesnt guarantee he is full italian, think about it for a few seconds why that doesnt prove it....not saying he is or isnt but your post doesnt prove he is

and i can careless if he was a german mutt

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Originally Posted By: cheech
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i read somewhere tony mirra was half irish


Mirra was full blooded Italian. His father´s name was Albert Mirra and his mother was a Embarrato. I think she was the sister of Al "Walker" Embarrato, the Bonanno member.



that doesnt guarantee he is full italian, think about it for a few seconds why that doesnt prove it....not saying he is or isnt but your post doesnt prove he is

and i can careless if he was a german mutt


Mirra is an Italian surname. Tony inherited it from his father.
And as I said, his mother was a Embarrato, also an Italian surname. Not Irish.

Cheech, if you can careless if Tony Mirra was a German mutt, why mention "I read Tony Mirra was half Irish"?


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I'm sure there's been a lot of guys throughout the years that have some Irish or another ethnicity blood... Just saying...

Re: Would they make someone half Irish these days? [Re: HairyKnuckles] #718961
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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
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i read somewhere tony mirra was half irish


Mirra was full blooded Italian. His father´s name was Albert Mirra and his mother was a Embarrato. I think she was the sister of Al "Walker" Embarrato, the Bonanno member.



that doesnt guarantee he is full italian, think about it for a few seconds why that doesnt prove it....not saying he is or isnt but your post doesnt prove he is

and i can careless if he was a german mutt


Mirra is an Italian surname. Tony inherited it from his father.
And as I said, his mother was a Embarrato, also an Italian surname. Not Irish.

Cheech, if you can careless if Tony Mirra was a German mutt, why mention "I read Tony Mirra was half Irish"?


because it was the topic, but someones mother/father down the line couldnt have been half irish?

again, thats what it said in the book, really dont care if its true or not


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Re: Would they make someone half Irish these days? [Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci] #718962
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respect to you old chap


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Re: Would they make someone half Irish these days? [Re: IvyLeague] #718982
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Supposedly, they changed it back to full Italian in the early 2000's. Though I imagine some well-connected guys, who are only partially Italian, can still get made.


NY-only I imagine.

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With people born before 1950 you can almost always be assured that if both someones parents have an Italian surname that the persons 100 percent, nowadays its possible to find someone with two Italian names and only fifty percent blood, essentially a second generation half Italian if you can understand what I'm saying

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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: F_white
Remember that the commission change the rule in the 80's early 90's that guys need to be half Italians on the father side so it can trace it back to Italy.


Supposedly, they changed it back to full Italian in the early 2000's. Though I imagine some well-connected guys, who are only partially Italian, can still get made.

That was the bottom line when they relaxed the rules back in the '80s or '90s. Two good examples are Junior Gotti (a quarter Jewish), and Craig DePalma (his Mom, Terri, is fully Jewish). But look who their fathers were.

Nepotism has gone on in that life when it comes to straightening guys out since the day they pricked their first finger. My point is, it was MUCH easier to get your button if you were only half-Italian if your Dad was a heavyweight himself.


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The rules were very relaxed if ya ask me...aside from who there dads were it was happening all over guys getting made that aren't full Italian...wasn't there Puerto rican capo in the gambinos and look at that Spanish guy from Canada the one that just got whacked in Italy..they got him on the wire saying he's a made man in the family..

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John Gotti, Jr. of course.

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I truly believe that if they plan on keeping the mafia going this is a subject that will have to be given great consideration. I understand Cosa Nostra is a strictly Italian thing but as the times change the families are going to have to change with them. These days there are far more opportunities available and a life as a wiseguy does not have the appeal it did in the past. They even have Gotti on a wire tap with Frankie Loc talking about how hard it had gotten to find good recruits. As the talent pool shrinks the families are going to have to find other options. This is probably going to mean they are going to have to relax the ethnicity restrictions. The old time mobsters believed that only Italians cold be loyal to omertà. Well we know from all the informers there have been that this is not true. So if a guy is a good earner and has proven himself who cares if he is full blooded Italian. Or even if his father was Italian. The most important thing is can the guy bring in money or can he be trusted to carry out the dirty work, Italian or not.

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Originally Posted By: GoldenEagle
I truly believe that if they plan on keeping the mafia going this is a subject that will have to be given great consideration. I understand Cosa Nostra is a strictly Italian thing but as the times change the families are going to have to change with them. These days there are far more opportunities available and a life as a wiseguy does not have the appeal it did in the past. They even have Gotti on a wire tap with Frankie Loc talking about how hard it had gotten to find good recruits. As the talent pool shrinks the families are going to have to find other options. This is probably going to mean they are going to have to relax the ethnicity restrictions. The old time mobsters believed that only Italians cold be loyal to omertà. Well we know from all the informers there have been that this is not true. So if a guy is a good earner and has proven himself who cares if he is full blooded Italian. Or even if his father was Italian. The most important thing is can the guy bring in money or can he be trusted to carry out the dirty work, Italian or not.


It will never happen, nor should it. The mob can get what it needs from non-Italian associates without altering one of it's most fundamental rules.


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I dont think they will start "making" anybody that is not italian. To understand it you just have to grow up in that kind of culture. Why make guys that are not italian when they could just be a good earning associate?


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