Ivy I don't consider dap a liberal hack. At least he adds something for gods sake, he can consider another point of view. You on the other hand are a different story, it's ivys way or the highway and nothing else. Has it ever occurred to you for a second to consider another point of view other than your own? You know you and I don't disagree on everything. But every time dap or I offers something reasonable other than your fifties outlook you shoot it down as "liberal junk".