Originally Posted By: elmwoodparker
The Chicago Crime Commission Report said in 1997 there were 70 made guys in the Outfit and 700 to 1,200 Associates. If the Outfit downsized 10 years 50% or more, then the Associates would still number AT LEAST 300 TO 500. How could the Made guys go down 50 to 60% and the associates go down 90%???? How is that possible??? if you want to quote Feds reports, then you can quote the one in 2007 and I'll quote the one in 1997 reducing everything at least 50%. No problem.


The 70 members was an estimate by the CCC. Not an exact count like the more recent FBI figures. And, if you subtract the Outfit members who have died since 1997, it matches up with the 28-30 members the FBI cited in 2007. As for associates, that's obviously going to be a much more flexible figure, as definitions of what makes an associate are going to differ. Considering the modern day Outfit's size in terms of core members, a little over 100 associates is much easier to believe than 700-1,200.

Originally Posted By: "elmwoodparker"
The Spizziri Brothers are not made. They are soldiers who used to make collections with my Uncle who is older than them in the Elmwood Park Crew. I've seen this list before but didn't pay much attention to it. If this is the big Feds list of 28 made guys, it is very imcomplete and a little inaccurate in a few instances. A lot of names are missing. Cautadello (Cicero), Dote (Elmwood Park), Spina, Mike Sarno and Rudy Fratto (I know they are in jail, but this list was done before they went to jail), and a lot of new men that were made in the last 5 years, plus several other men who are specialists that the Feds either don't know about or they think are Associates instead of made men. All the Specialists that are made participated in a murder years ago. I will not name them.


The list isn't from the feds. It was a list posted by a poster over on the RD forum. The guy was well researched on the Outfit and those names were the ones he had seen specifically listed as made members here or there.


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