and you read every word- Now if the other people read it and learn from it then it did it's job. But I am sorry to say you didn't learn anything from it I see.
You keep posting and I'll keep laughing

I am off to the lake to enjoy this fine weather- Take care!

Crap isn't a cuss word

First, there's no sugar coating these "Walk Away Moms." A mom who abandons her family is just evil, plain and simple.

Second, there's no need to start changing terms or doing away with Father/Daughter dances. The traditional family makeup of a father, mother, and children is the best (i.e. superior to all the rest) and should be encouraged by society.

Third, a woman simply making a "choice" doesn't mean it's inherently good. That's the same language twisting that's been done with abortion. Supporters of it, in an attempt to change the topic from what's happening to the baby, argue it's a good thing because they support "choice." By the same token, a women choosing to work outside the home isn't a good thing if it takes away from her role as a wife and mother. And it often does.

Fourth, even though both a husband and father may work outside the home, the balance should always be towards the husband being the main breadwinner and the wife taking care of the duties at home. Adjustments may need to be made according to individual situations but, generally speaking, that's the way it should be. Contrary to liberal, secular, social re-engineering bullshit, gender roles are a good thing and have long been there for a reason.

Fifth, Western Europe continues to be a bellwether for the destructive changes we are and will continue to see here in the U.S.

Sixth and finally, afsaneh77, you need help. Plain and simple.

So much nonsense here only a lawyer could come up with this. Where to begin?

Those are just some examples of an overall growing trend - the minimization of the differences between men and women. And it's very much a tempest. Without such changing attitudes, which believe there's no real difference between the sexes, we would never have seen the issue of gay marriage even come up; much less legalized in a dozen states now.

Likewise, it's these same changing attitudes that consider it improper for Catholic charities to not favor a father and mother couple over a homosexual one, despite that familial makeup being clearly superior.

As for "Prager University," it's obviously not meant literally. Prager uses that term because many of our universities today have become, in his words, left-wing seminaries where brainwashing, more than education, is the order of the day.

For you to draw some kind of comparison between Prager's play on words, and calling a man a "woman" or a woman a "man," is absurd.

Ivy come on. Since when is it bad for a mother to work? A have a friend who's mother worked for bank of America and his dad stayed at home and took care of the household. Explain to me why that's bad. Women can be breadwinners there's no reason for them not to strive for it, by the same token plenty choose to stay at my home like my own mom. But let me tell you ivy that makes her no less equal than my dad. To say "that's the way it should be" is absolutely absurd. I called out afs on her crap, im going to call you out on this.

This isn't the fifties anymore. The man doesn't always work, the woman doesn't always and doesn't have to stay in the household. It's being oversimplistic and stereotypical. Gender roles are there, I'm not saying we toss them out. But we shouldn't let them constrict us and confine us

Women becoming the main breadwinner in the family is becoming increasingly common in our society. More women than men have graduated from US colleges with bachelor’s degrees in every year since 1982, and the same is true for all college degrees (associate’s, bachelor’s, master’s and doctor’s degrees). For the class of 2012, women earned 61.7% of all associate’s degrees, 56.9% of all bachelor’s degrees, 59.6% of all master’s degrees, and 52.1% of all doctor’s degrees. Overall, there were 141 women graduating with a college degree at some level in 2012 for every 100 men. This is from the Dept of Education.

Our society has become one that increasingly requires two adults making an income to sustain and prosper. Personally, I know of tons of couples who both work but the woman earns more than the man. These are all white collar professionals (lawyers, doctors, wall street, etc). Sure it might have pissed the man off back in the day (and it still does bother a few) that he earns less than his wife. But you grow to accept and encourage the success of your spouse, as you should. The vast majority of women who become professionals (I have encountered quite a few) are no-nonsense and work their butts off much more than their male counterparts to continually strive to better themselves.

There was an article a while back in the WSJ about the increasing number of men in our country who are stay at home dads while the wife is the main breadwinner in the family. Many of the dads that are in this situation were at first embarrassed but have grown to become accustomed and grateful to stay at home and raise their children,given that traditionally this hasn't been the norm. There are tons of men who would rather stay at home anyway.

I say it all comes down to each individual case. If both spouses want to work and raise a child, they should have that right and should make every effort to accommodate each others career aspirations while ensuring a proper upbringing for their kids (whether they decide to use a nanny or share the household duties, etc). If one spouse wants to be the stay at home parent, then thats fine as well. Each couple should be able to make their own choice.

Prager and his crappy university are full of bullshit. Brainwashing? LOL. It has been shown that the opposite is the case with many universities in the South (especially rural) doing much bible-thumping in all aspects of their teachings (I have seen this personally on visits). I suggest you visit a few of our nations universities (good ones, not bullshit ones like Prager) and you will see that this is far from the case. Conservative and Liberal viewpoints are always discussed (and debated) besides one another in subjects such as politics, economics, or many others. The debates are never one sided either. Often times its the right wing viewpoint (from my experience) that makes the most noise.

Thanks Ivy for proving my point. If not for anything else, I can always count on you to show some who are in denial what's going on.

This is it exactly.

How did this thread get so off track?

Ditto. It's whatever works on an individual basis, and no one has the right to judge a happy home dynamic just because it's foreign to them.

In my own case, my Mom worked at a time when it was still frowned upon by some (my parents were married in the '50s). Now granted, we lived in a very old world neighborhood where there were actually some young women who frowned upon the woman's movement. But my mother would tell them to just mind their own business (or truth be told, sometimes she'd tell them to just fuck off ).

My wife worked right up until a few years ago. And that's not to imply that she doesn't still "work" today. She still runs the house, although the kids are mostly grown. And she handles the billing on four of our apartment buildings, which is a full time job in itself. Left to my own devices, I'd take all cash and work out of cigar box. The IRS would execute me if it wasn't for her.

Just one note on that article. It's not entirely without merit because every young parent (male and female) fantasizes at one time or another about taking off and living on an island somewhere. But it's almost always just that: a fantasy. Anyone who runs out on their kids, be it the mother or the father, is a piece of shit, and I don't care what their justification is.

Afs girl, you got stamina!!! Now, get that apron on and get back in that kitchen and scrub down those walls.

Tell me again, what century are we in?



TIS

Stream of consciousness.

I think me and mrs. dicknose are moving too fast she wants to settle down

You're almost 30, DickNose. There's no "moving too fast" anymore. Shit or get off the bowl, and stop wasting that poor girl's time.

Well she isn't a naturalized citizen shes from Argento I have to ask her father for her hand?

I'm guessing you mean Agrigento?

And if that's the case, you ain't man enough .

Don't just ask for her hand. Make sure you get the rest of her. Good luck to you both.

I'll ask her for both hands

Yes ma'am, I'll get right on it. For women, it just doesn't seem like times going forward.

Ain't that the truth? Kids, work, house, spouse, they can become overwhelming. But you made 'em, you take care of 'em, I don't care if you're tired, or you didn't get to enjoy your youth, or whatever bullshit you want to come up with to justify your actions to yourself. Children and marriage are a lifetime commitment.

Amen. I have noticed a disturbing uptick in recent years in the number of single moms who's husband/baby's father want nothing to do with them or their offspring - both in terms of supporting them financially or just being there for them. This is horrible - be it a mother or a father not being there for their child.

Iran is a shithole. End of story.

Please don't compare gender roles in Iran with gender roles in USA. It's like comparing Hitler with Martin Luther King.

It's not necessarily "bad" for a mother to work unless it takes away from her primary role as a wife and mother. And if often does. Needless to say, women are the ones who give birth and are almost always the ones who raise the children, while the man is the breadwinner. This is the ideal set up even if many women to have to also work to make ends meet. To think they these roles can or should be switched at will is living in denial.



Something being common doesn't inherently make it right. And women making up most of the workforce is just the latest sign of decline in our society. It's not something to be lauded or cheered.



First, a guy like Prager has more brains than a partisan, meme-posting hack like you will ever have. Try listening to the guy before running your mouth.

Second, as I pointed out above, when he calls it "Prager University," he doesn't mean a literal university.

Third, while I don't necessarily doubt that there are Christian/Bible teachings interwoven in some of the classes of some Southern colleges, for you to argue that most public universities don't have a huge liberal slant shows how non-objective I've always believed you to be.

I really don't get why you think women making strives in the workforce is bad ivy. Besides in the business world it doesn't matter about whether or not you have a penis it's about your brain: what you can do with it and can you make it in a business environment. That's not a decline of society, now I agree that if men are falling behind which they are when it comes to education and college degrees something must be done to resolve that.

But it's like almost everyone else said before, individual households make the choice of who works or who stays at home. It is NOT subjected to the man being a breadwinner and the women staying in the kitchen. I'm starting to think you're watching too much All in the family ivy remember that show is comedy

It signifies a continued breakdown of the traditional family unit. Anyone who thinks the best scenario for kids is to be raised in a home with two working parents is delusional. No success outside the home can compensate for failure in the home. And that certainly applies to women, including those who sacrifice family for the sake of their careers. The woman having the primary role of wife, mother, and homemaker, while men being the husband, father, and main breadwinner, has always been the norm. It's meant to be that way, whether you realize it or not.

Ivy just stop and think about that for a second. That's the way it's "supposed" to be? You really do need a time machine to the fifties. I'm not saying kids should be raised with both parents working but what if the dad stays at home and the mother works? Who says a father can't take care of the kids? I'm trying to get you to think outside of the box here. How do you know for sure that it's "meant" to be that way? Please don't tell me you do.

And that's based on how long living in Iran? When it comes to gender roles, there's not much difference. I just compared them for the sake of my own life. Deal with it.

And individual choices are not the issue. There are women who make more money than their husband here. A dentist makes a very good living. Those whose wives are dentists, usually don't work at all. It's like that almost everywhere. And the society is exactly the same. Ivy whose idea is a common point of view in the US, is saying what mullahs here are saying all along. "Primary role of women are homemaking and raising kids." Well to be honest, even mullahs don't say primary role of women is homemaking, they just say it is raising kids. Work outside the home while is okay, shouldn't interfere with that primary role. Moreover, whatever woman makes outside, she doesn't have to spend it for her family. It's hers to keep. Homemaking is role of a maid that husband would have to pay for it. But since middle class can't afford it, it falls on women to carry that burden as well, work outside and spend their income to live better lives. Just as what's happening in the US.

Yes, I do know for sure that's how it's supposed to be. Just like I know a lot of other things. That you don't know them, or don't believe them, is your problem and doesn't change what's true. And for a father to choose to stay home with the kids, while the mother works, is just unnatural and wrong. But, considering your twisted view on things like gay marriage, I don't expect you to understand any of this either.

What makes it unnatural and wrong for a father to stay at home and take care of the kids while the mother works?