While your attitude has nothing to do with God's existence, you coming to a knowledge of that does.

If it doesn't, then please explain. It might help others with different attitudes. Only a charlatan would suggest something exists, but for others to know it, they have to change their attitudes. In other words, "Please be more gullible to not ask questions or challenge my claims and just know them by a blood pumping organ (heart) and feel it down your intestines (gut)."

Nobody is saying not to ask questions or even challenges. But God is not going to reveal Himself to anyone who isn't a humble seeker of the truth. You've convinced yourself, or so you claim, that God doesn't exist. So, you've made up your mind. He's not going to reveal Himself to somebody like that. Not because He doesn't exist, not because He's incapable of it, but because you shut the door.

Your argument makes as much sense as saying it like this:

Bigfoot is not going to reveal Himself to anyone who isn't a humble seeker of the truth. You've convinced yourself, or so you claim, that Bigfoot doesn't exist. So, you've made up your mind. He's not going to reveal Himself to somebody like that. Not because He doesn't exist, not because He's incapable of it, but because you shut the door.

You coming to a knowledge of whether Bigfoot exists has no bearing on your eternal salvation.

Hey buddy, slow down. You are yet to tell me a reason why you think there is god. Eternal salvation? Big foot salvation? All these discussions are pending on proving either of these things exist first.

I'm under no obligation to prove anything. In this life, God isn't on trial. We are. And I could go into how I know but that would be the classic case of throwing pearls before swine.

Of course you are not, until you keep your beliefs to yourself. But then you are telling me homosexual acts are wrong. Even then I still could live with that, until you come out and say society should not let them get married. At this point you are under the obligation to prove first there is a god, and that he has said so.

However if you live and let live, I could care less if you believe in bigfoot or god or whatever else you like. It's your first amendment right.

I'm an atheist, and I think gay marriage is sick thing for society to allow.

Yes, you already said that, but your claim is that homosexuality is a sickness, and pretty much is pedophilia, which science doesn't support your claim. So nice try.

I could put up link to science studies lie I did last week, and you would say they were wrong. I don't go strictly by science, I go by what most people still sane and not brainwashed go by.

The real fact is that naturally every living species were made to reproduce. By going into a homosexual act, the species doesn't reproduce. So it's an unnatural act.
However, homosexual relations have been practiced very long now, so they're just another part of the society that we live in. Just as there are the rich and the poor.
Homosexuals are not even near to pedophiles, and it's pretty damn idiotic to compare them. Homosexuals do not molest and force the other person into having sex with them(of course there is the thing called rape, but heterosexuals also have it).
By denying homosexuals to get married, you won't change anything. They won't disappear. And if a child is raised normally, I don't think there's anything wrong with an orphan to be raised in a family than being raised in an orphanage.

Disagree on this point. Natural means: Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.

The state of being homosexual is as natural as being heterosexual, since being homosexual is not by choice. Plain and simple.

So in other words you go with prejudice and ignorance. Science is not brain washing. It's emancipating your mind from what is not based on facts. But if you choose to be brainwashed and be a slave of your old beliefs, It's your choice as well. Thankfully, times are changing. Your ways are not glorified anymore.

No need to be rude, not everything can be explained by science, at least yet. And some people use the "defense of homosexuals" argument just as an excuse to be high and mighty towards others to feed their own ego (I personally dealt with some of them and I know what I am talking about in this case). To me, that's no better than the behavior of the church towards "heretics" in the middle ages.

Whoa everybody!!!!!!!! We are getting into a debate, if you can call it that about gay rights, acceptance of gays and all the rest.

The Catholic Church is a private religion that can have whatever policy it wants about gays ot whatever else. This is the Church that used to come to the Americas from Spain, baptizee thousands of indigenous people en masse, and slaughter them, believeing they were doing them a favor because as newly baptized Christians (instead of pagans) they would go straight to heaven.

If you do not chose to believe the nonsense the Catholics teach, and most people dont, then don't be a member of the church.

If they say gays cannot receive communion, its their right to say that. Gays find other religions that are more tolerant.

To me this is a non issue.

I no more condemn this practice than I condemn Jews and Muslims from eating shrimp. I think it is all stupid, but I respect their reight to their beliefs, no matter how weird.

DT, obviously the debate digressed. On the matter of this topic, I agree with you, a homosexual can't walk into a church and expect the same treatment. But with everything else with the usual debaters of this issue, everything ends up being about gay marriage. From a certain point the debate is shifted toward gay marriage, not the treatment of that lady by that Catholic priest, which I don't dispute.

It was senseless actions of maniacs who labeled themselves as Christians, I think nobody of today's Catholics or other Christians will dispute the fact that an honest atheist (even gay) is more a decent person worthy of going to Heaven than a multiple murderer who kills in the name of religion.

I think it's time for all of you to agree to disagree. No one is changing anyone else's mind on this matter. Ever.

Since when has that made any difference?

Point taken.

Well, mine was changed. On many issues. I like debating, and typing keeps my nails in check.