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Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: klydon1] #710328
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Gut feeling, gun-to-your-head opinion, Counselor. Can they get a conviction?

I honestly think a hung jury is the best the prosecution can do in that part of Florida. But that's what trials are for.


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Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: pizzaboy] #710335
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Gut feeling, gun-to-your-head opinion, Counselor. Can they get a conviction?

I honestly think a hung jury is the best the prosecution can do in that part of Florida. But that's what trials are for.



It's a tough case and all you have to do is hang one juror.

It's a state of mind case. The prosecutor will try to paint a picture, based on Zimmerman's 911 call that he was pissed and agitated as he ignored sage advice from 911 not to pursue.By attempting to establish that Zimmerman deliberately followed Martin and initiated a confrontation, not necessarily a physical confrontation, the prosecution will argue that self defense is unavailable as an affirmative defense.

They will try to establish Martin's state of mind through his call that he was concerned about being followed.

Of course, the defense will almost have to put Zimmerman on the stand as he will be the only living witness to what happened. If Zimmerman describes his state of mind and actions in a manner inconsistent with what the jury infers from evidence leading up to the encounter, he may be in trouble.

I don't know if anyone else noticed last week, but the homeowner's association, to which Zimmerman belonged, settled the civil suit for wrongful death with Martin's family for a sum that I believe is seven figures.

Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: EastHarlemItal] #710337
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Klydon, in regards to the jury what's your feeling on a non prejudicial jury? This case has been plastered all over the news. Especially in Fla.


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Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: klydon1] #710338
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Originally Posted By: klydon1
Zimmerman's 911 call

the real one, or the msnbc version?


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Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: klydon1] #710339
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Originally Posted By: klydon1
I don't know if anyone else noticed last week, but the homeowner's association, to which Zimmerman belonged, settled the civil suit for wrongful death with Martin's family for a sum that I believe is seven figures.
Something else that might have gone unnoticed by many is that Martin's girlfriend's integrity has already been impugned. Her statememts so far include one that she was someplace she wasn't when she took the call from Martin.

I too see a hung jury on the horizon. If that's the case Kly, do you think that Zimmermann's attorneys would welcome a 2nd trial or propose a plea bargain.


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Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: EastHarlemItal] #710342
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Originally Posted By: EastHarlemItal
Klydon, in regards to the jury what's your feeling on a non prejudicial jury? This case has been plastered all over the news. Especially in Fla.


Everyone brings prejudices to the table, and while you can change the venue within the state, certainly the juror pool will be filled with potential jurors, who have heard about the case. The aim isn't necessarily to get jurors, who have not heard a lick about the case - frankly someone living in a hole all this time would worry me about serving. But the key is to impanel a jury, capable of putting aside what they have heard through media outlets and render a decision that is limited to evidence presented within a courtroom. Most, when called, take their oaths seriously.

Jury selection will be a painstaking process, and if you assemble 12 free thinking, independent people, a fair and impartial jury can be achieved. The zealots on both sides can be screened.

I don't think the jury selectors will be as concerned about white and black as they will be on male and female.

Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: EastHarlemItal] #710363
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Kly, is there a strategy used to pick a jury? Can't think of the movie, however Gene Hackman was in it. A gun case trial. Anyway, Hackman was a hired gun and specialized in jury selection. Was that portrayal way over the top? All of coarse had you seen the movie?


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Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: klydon1] #710366
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Originally Posted By: klydon1
It's a tough case and all you have to do is hang one juror.


That's not very nice to hang one juror...LOL


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Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: Mignon] #710370
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Originally Posted By: Mignon
Originally Posted By: klydon1
It's a tough case and all you have to do is hang one juror.


That's not very nice to hang one juror...LOL



LOL! Nice Mig!

Would a hung lawyer be better? Two would be funnier!


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Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: EastHarlemItal] #710399
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This is all a political correctness bullshit trial. The man should be acquitted.


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Originally Posted By: vinnietoothpicks26
This is all a political correctness bullshit trial. The man should be acquitted.


What about the victim?


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Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: EastHarlemItal] #710409
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What about him? The justice system isnt meant to prosecute the politically correct media's wishes. Its about was a crime committed? I don't believe so, and under state law, the man did what was permitted of him. And regardless of what jessie and not so sharpton say, the man should be acquitted. No way he gets a fair trial though, hes fucked.


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Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: EastHarlemItal] #710410
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So why do you think Trayvon Martin deserved to be killed? Are you serious?


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Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: EastHarlemItal] #710411
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Lol. It is funny that you could read what I said, and then conclude that. Here come the PC police.


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Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: EastHarlemItal] #710412
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I concluded that because you said a crime wasn't committed? Is murder not a crime?


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Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: EastHarlemItal] #710413
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In my opinion, under the stand your ground law, he did not commit a murder beyond a reasonable doubt; which is the standard they are supposed to apply, not the political correctness standard.


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Re: Stand your ground law! [Re: EastHarlemItal] #710414
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He's dead! Is that not a reasonable doubt?


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