thank you carmela.. i seen you post before and i respect alot of what you say.. guys like lo piccolo are pure old school, he had a great run.. these rules they have at induction are strange to ask of new members..they all went to clubs and bars , also cops, they were always close to police, they could never get the inside info without them or in the past get cases throw out,right now wise guys there have family who are in l.e...but in comparison to the u.s. what ever rules they issue are all broken . they make guys lie on the first moment they get made.. crazy..why swear to rules you do not believe in..how can they respect each other from day one...tough life to live