Her not being the target doesn't matter she's still dead. That's not an excuse. This has happened many times and sometimes their even the targets. I hope this is a turning point and they finally do something to stop it. Everyone seems to be talking about mobsters in the past like the Colombo war, Chris Furnari, Gus Farace, ect. We're talking about today. The mob hasn't done anything as bad as street gangs do today.

Kudos to NS for kicking the argument up a higher level. The question answers itself though there's an unstated presumption is the way the original inquiry is posed. A self-evident setup. It get muddy tho when you introduce ethnic qualifiers then it takes on a whole different cast. Basically you're arguing apples and oranges as if they started out from the same seedling. They didn't. Sure both began in the dirt, but they're two different things. And any basis for comparison is totally arbitrary. Like asking who's the best dress.

Most of this is gone today because the Mafia is now (and has been for 30 or 40 years even) essantially a product of the American society, not longer a Sicilian subculture directed by Sicilian mentality.

Hairy, I usually like your posts-Im cringing a bit with embarressment reading your last one though....sounds like the start of a shit crime novel....!

I don´t know, but there was a time, being a Mafia member was a noble thing. Being part of something, they (the Mafia members) considerered larger than life. In some cases, it took years of schooling and traing before being admitted or being considered for membership. The Mafia was a "honored sociaty" because its members were honorable men, schooled and trained to obey its rules. By Mafia definition, being a honorable man meant being someone who dedicates his life to obedience, loyalty and respect. Living within the Mafia´s bounderies and adapting the rules of the Mafia made the member "mafioso", that is, a man who is strong, beautiful and admired. Honor, in their mind, was not only being able to stand up for themselves but also being able to protect the Mafia and its values. Most of this is gone today because the Mafia is now (and has been for 30 or 40 years even) essantially a product of the American society, not longer a Sicilian subculture directed by Sicilian mentality. But even today, in my mind and opinion, the Mafia can not be compared with American street gangs. Not only because of the difference in amount of violence and mayhem, but also because the street gangs are lacking tradition, discipline and respect.

I'm not sure what's being argued here...

Who's inherently more violent, Blacks or Italians. That's all this thread is about

there's an unstated presumption is the way the original inquiry is posed. A self-evident setup. It get muddy tho when you introduce ethnic qualifiers then it takes on a whole different cast.

Who's inherently more violent, Blacks or Italians.

That's all this thread is about and that's all this thread was created for, no matter how it's being phrased. They can sugarcoat it any way they want, call it a "sociological study of the motivations of street gangs vs Mafiosi", blah blah blah. But there's a racial agenda going on here. That's all this thread has been about since yesterday. And it better stop or another thread is going to close as fast as it opened.

And the answer to the question is scumbags are scumbags, whatever their color. Who's worse, the gangbanging racist who kills his teenage victim or the Mafiosi in Italy who were just convicted for kidnapping an 11 year old boy, torturing him for two years, strangling him to death, and dissolving his body in hot oil?

I certainly can't make that call because, like I said, they're both horrible. Scumbags are scumbags. Black or white. Wearing gang colors or Brioni.

lol some of these replies are rediculous. I understand fully that some of you want to be politically correct, but its not reality.

Its quite obvious that mafioso overall carry themselves in a much more professional manner in public than gang bangers. I mean would you rather do business with a man who dresses professionally, or an idiot who is wearing FUBU? Cmon guys.

Many mobsters in the past and present look like lawyers or CEO's of a Fortune 500 company. Not saying that what they do is justified, but cmon lets be serious. You can atleast be seen with them in public. A gang banger? No fucking way. You can actually talk about topics with substance with a mobster. They actually have a grasp on world issues of the current day. Many of them live in the suburbs now. They have become civilized in that sense. They even have families of their own and many of them have children who are going to college. This also makes them more sophisticated than your average gang banger.

Thats the difference. Gang bangers don't even know proper english.

Are you going to bring a Gangster deciple to dinner? You would be nuts. But a real mobster? You could have him sit at your table and people would actually welcome him with open arms. He would have the decency to dress well and actually pick up part of the tab or maybe even all of it.. Would a gang banger do that? Fuck no.


And you know what else? More than likely the owner of a nice restaurant would ask the gang banger to leave because they don't know how to behave in public, or even have enough respect of others to dress properly and be decent. Ever see a group of gang members in a restaurant? I have and its not a pretty site. So obnoxious and no respect one bit.

A mobster would get VIP treatment because they know their place and know how to act in a public setting. The gang banger would stick out like a sore thumb.

But to all of you who think that their attitudes are not very different, why don't you go invite a gang member to Thanksgiving dinner.

Good luck with that.

lol some of these replies are rediculous. I understand fully that some of you want to be politically correct, but its not reality.

Its quite obvious that mafioso overall carry themselves in a much more professional manner in public than gang bangers. I mean would you rather do business with a man who dresses professionally, or an idiot who is wearing FUBU? Cmon guys.

Many mobsters in the past and present look like lawyers or CEO's of a Fortune 500 company. Not saying that what they do is justified, but cmon lets be serious. You can atleast be seen with them in public. A gang banger? No fucking way. You can actually talk about topics with substance with a mobster. They actually have a grasp on world issues of the current day. Many of them live in the suburbs now. They have become civilized in that sense. They even have families of their own and many of them have children who are going to college. This also makes them more sophisticated than your average gang banger.

Thats the difference. Gang bangers don't even know proper english.

Are you going to bring a Gangster deciple to dinner? You would be nuts. But a real mobster? You could have him sit at your table and people would actually welcome him with open arms. He would have the decency to dress well and actually pick up part of the tab or maybe even all of it.. Would a gang banger do that? Fuck no.


And you know what else? More than likely the owner of a nice restaurant would ask the gang banger to leave because they don't know how to behave in public, or even have enough respect of others to dress properly and be decent. Ever see a group of gang members in a restaurant? I have and its not a pretty site. So obnoxious and no respect one bit.

A mobster would get VIP treatment because they know their place and know how to act in a public setting. The gang banger would stick out like a sore thumb.

But to all of you who think that their attitudes are not very different, why don't you go invite a gang member to Thanksgiving dinner.

Good luck with that.

FUBU hasn't been worn by anybody (gangmembers included) for 10 yrs

not too mention that ten years ago when gangmembers were wearing fubu everything functioned through a chain of command. you weren't allowed to do much without getting the permission

you speaking in the same cliche manner that current gangmembers act in