"...he still charged all of his guys dues long after other families abandoned them."

What do you mean by that, Binnie?

I really like your posts on here dude always a pleasure. Salvatore DiBella is the name I was looking for. But like you said it's all so murky I never delved in to it...would he be related to Tommy DiBella and Joe Fontana to Harry Fontana?

I'm one of the guys who wrote on the Yahoo forum. Joe Fontana was not a boss, he was a member of the D'Aquila Family. Salvatore DiBella was only a boss for a short time, apparently taking over from Manfredi Mineo. I don't know where Zarcone as boss comes from. Giovanni Zarcone was an important member under Lupo and was killed in 1909. Salvatore DiBella was the father of Thomas DiBella; Joseph Fontana was not related to Harry Fontana (it's a common name and I traced both of their genealogies).

in the book "joey" by Donald goddard, joey gallo complained the profaci charged all of his men 25 dollars a month dues, both gallo. and jr.persico were going to revolt because of profacis cheapness,

in the book persico had a score of 2000 dollars, he was going to kick up to profaci, he went to a captain and the captain took all but 200 dollars which he gave to persico. jr. was outraged, and joined gallo's revolt.

only to switch sides a short time later. joey is a great book about joey gallo.

Bonanno was the same way. In the FBI transcripts Sam DeCavalcante is talking to Joe Zicarelli, and during the Bonanno War Zicarelli talked to someone and found out he was kicking up a lot more than the other Families (at least the DeCavalcante and Genovese Families). Other Bonanno members were complaining that JB was keeping the soldiers poor.

He and Profaci were birds of a feather too. Just speculation, but I also wonder how Mangano treated his soldiers. Joe says he, Profaci, and Mangano would live it up every weekend and the three got along great.

After the Gallos kidnapped the hierarchy of the Profaci family (narrowly missing Joe), he had to bring the matter to the Commission. That caused him to lose face. That's when Gambino and Lucchese began agitating for him to step down as Don.

I think Scarpa said the same in his FBI files as well.

Joe Fontana was close to the Lupo tht Wolf as well. It seems he had become the representative to those from Villabate, but he came from a different town in Sicily, once the Morello family splintered off into groups based on there home towns. DiBalla seems to have taken over this group, and only paid lip service to D'Aquila. The Zarcone in question is believed to be a relative of Giovanni Zarcone, who is from Villabate, his nephews Frank and Pietro may have been the head of the group. Both were involved with the Andrea Gambino killing which resulted in Giovanni being killed. Frank seems to have moved to Villabate after wwI. Pietro was fined for carry a firearm in 1920, in the presence of DiBella, Gaetano Cattone, and a Frank Proface all from Villabate. After that there is no more mention of Pietro Zarcone. A lot of sources say that Joe Profaci became head of the group in 1925, but he did not returned to New York till 1927, which by that time he was known as a heavy hitter. Salvatore DiBella was Thomas father, he passed away in the mid 1930's. Thomas did not go beyond the rank of sold to till the turmoil in the family on the early 1960's. Joe and Harry Fontana are not related, though there may be a family connection in Palermo. Fontana is a common surname in Sicily.

What was the 25 bucks use for or did he pocket the money.

according to his soldiers, he kept the money, by the way he is

mentioned in books about joey gallo as being worth 100 million.

When the press and LE sources throw out numbers like $100 million dollars they're blowing smoke. They have no idea and are just guessing. It's possible they're accurate, but more likely that they're way off. LE often overestimates the net worth of Mob bosses. What they often forget is that some of that money goes back to the organization and isn't really their personal wealth. Sort of like the British crown jewels don't really belong to the Britsh royal family but belong to all of the UK.

Is Profaci's olive oil company or distributing company still in business today/under a new a name? If the guy was the biggest olive oil importer in the entire US, some subsidiary of that company has to be around I would think no?

I think it was put out of business for watering down its olive oil, probably by the State of New York.

Hank Messick, a tabloid journalist, published a book on Meyer Lansky, calling him the most powerful organized crime figure and putting his worth at $300 million. Lansky's biographer, Robert Lacey, said Messick told him he never researched that figure, but published it because it was "big." Lacey estimated that Lansky was worth no more than $5-6 million at his peak, and died almost broke.

Colavita olive oil ..huge place in nj

I read this before and its true his brother in-law Joe magg can't spell last name grandkids are the biggest distributers of legal booze today in the tristate. Worth maybe more then anyone else. And there going strong I think ivey or HK published some new article on the grandkids.

John Profaci runs Colavita, but he started it up years after his father died. Here are some links of interest:

http://em.gmnews.com/news/2012-05-02/Front_Page/Olive_oil_producer_sets_up_shop_in_Edison.html

http://main.colavita.com/colavita-recipes/colvita-centre-for-food-and-wine/

http://njmonthly.com/articles/jersey-living/oil-baron/

https://books.google.com/books?id=zmWY95...aci&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=H3_I1h...aci&f=false

http://nypost.com/2010/12/12/godmother-of-real-estate/

DRUG WAR ? the Gallo's weren't getting any of that dope money .May'be they wanted more of their profit's to stay in their pocket's .Heard they were close to "Tony Bender".

So if they got along so well, why did they allow ALBERT to murder both brother's ?

I bring this point up a lot when I talk about Commision politics at that time, Bonnano, Profaci, Maggadino, Zerilli,Mangano, and possible Gagliano were all part of the same faction, like this was the dominant faction on the commision after Lucky got deported..

This was the real start of the end, they never shoulda let Albert get away with that, But they were hamstrung cause Costello backed him up.

never impressed with the Bonanno's. I think Profaci had more respect.