I love that ad. That is one reason he was called the Clown. He also once walked out of a courthouse and with a newspaper over his face with a hole cut out so he could see.

i wonder if anybody can find that pic of the clown with the cut out newspaper for his eyes and post it on here, ive seen it in a documentary def classic!

http://www.ipsn.org/mob_arrests-2005/clown_011406_285.jpg


Stop Clowning Around Dapper!

^^^your the man

here it is for everybody

The feds said Chicago made guys with a handshake or Roemer and some authors said it? Also, let's not forget that certain facts about some of these guys would have never come to light if it weren't for the feds. It's always ironic that people criticize the feds for when they get things wrong (which is very much in the minority of the time) while depending so much on them for information.

So we agree that the FBI can be wrong.

There wrong a lot, or more often they straight out lie!

is it true that the outfit has none italian members I keep hearing reports that they now have japanese member?

We had this debate a week or so. Think of the non- Italians as "connected to" there certainly not made or members!

They don't have any Japanese members. Your probably thinking of Keno Eto but he wan around in the 60s/70s. In the 20s one of the highest guys up were Jake Guzik who was Polish. Succeeding his role was Gus Alex who was Greek. Then of course there was Murray Humphrey's who was Welsh and probably the highest ranking non-Italian member in Chicago. But none of them were ever made and there was always an Italian higher up. For example when Murray Humphrey's and Gus Alex were around, Ricca and Accardo were higher up. Same with Jake Guzik and Capone. Today there aren't any non-Italians as high up as they were but there are still some Irish, Greeks, Polish, ect associated with them.

my bad 1st day on this site.

What is your avatar, the Merchant of Venice?

The outfit is not involved in western canada at all

That's a stupid claim to make to you have a source for that. Also whose that in your aviator reminds me of my greedy ____ Doctor

Alright Red

wow, crazy interesting...

It's funny if you think about it. Andriacchi, DiFronzo, DAmico, anyone who seems remotely capable, are all old as s**t. So if you figure they have limited operational involvement, the statement effectively translates to:

Pudge Matassa, Albie, Toots, Fratto and a bunch of similarly unimpressive people "control western Canada."

By what mechanism would they "control" it. Perhaps you are suggesting while they don't use violence in Chicago, they're wasting people left or right up there.

Some people, namely Abidansky, have hypothesized this was a message to the rest of the Outfit that he wasn't going/hadn't flipped.

But it could have just been a crazy stunt to try to appear candid and above board... which he may have been by that time.

He lived in a very modest three flat. Actually he got "divorced" so it was in his wife's name, though the authorities say there was really no divorce, it was just another scheme.

NoNos why do you call Toots unimpressive?

Nobody ever said the FBI is infallible. Yes, the FBI can be wrong. But when you take a step back and look at the times they've been wrong relative to when they are right, it's very rare. Certain people like to highlight the times the feds are wrong because they feel it gives them carte blanche to dismiss what the feds say whenever it suits them.

Chicago has that book Westcoast. Big book! Maybe thats what Red is talking about? They got guys in up in canada. Dont know about west ca tho.. Whereever the fuck toronto is.... Southern i thnk.... I Will look at a map....

I am yet to see any report on the Outfit from the FBI that correctly explains the Chicago hierarchy on how Aiuppa restructed the Outfit including such terms as extended crew, franchise, power base etc. Could you please provide some examples on how they have been right relative to wrong?

I'm not sure what you're referring to when you mention "extended crew," "franchise," "power base," etc. At some point, though I don't recall if it was when Aiuppa was boss, the Outfit did add the position of "area boss." It was basically an extra layer in the hierarchy. You had the administration, the area bosses who oversaw a given territory, and the individual crew bosses within that territory. That said, I don't think this set up exists anymore.



Ironically, Lombardo was probably telling the truth; at least in reference to him never going through the ceremony.

What I've read, or some of the articles I've read, indicate that Ricca and Accardo set up the hierarchy with a day-to-day boss with Ricca&Accard retaining final say in the more important decisions. The reason for this was so it would be more difficult for law enforcement to get to R&A. The Boss and underboss (or whatever it's called) were always Italian/Sicilian (may be wrong about underboss) because these were considered the most hardcore old-school mobsters and were less likely to turn. This setup allowed R&A to semi retire and still be involved in The Outfit.

I do recall something about Aiuppa making some "title" changes, but can't recall the specifics. I don't think there would be much disagreement that this setup is no longer in effect. But hey, who knows what is going on with The Outfit ?

Tony Accardo had dry snitch written all over him...

you can google the fbi charts they have for the syndicate

but they change their hierarchy on an as needed basis

franchise means that you're a soldier or associate within a crew and they allow you to set up your own crew within the regular crew

all that powerbase and extended crew shit is just slang

Seriously! How was he the only one to never get caught? Is anyone that lucky? I mean shit the guy was the boss for 40 years and never does anytime?

I haven't seen any credible information indicating he was a snitch, but if such material is available, I would like to see/ read the documentation.

But just like everyone on this forum, you have a right to your opinion.

reminds me of Don Carlo Gambino in NY

King of the Rats there! Remember though, he faked sick a thousand times. I like from the surface Accardo. Just a seriously charmed life if so!