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Re: Families power in certain areas
[Re: NickyEyes1]
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Is Willie Marshall in the open... or still in Program?
"I'll give you undignified. Go fuck yourself. You, Phil... whoever. He's my fuckin' cousin."
"My name is George. I'm unemployed and live with my parents"..
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Re: Families power in certain areas
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Is Willie Marshall in the open... or still in Program? Willie left the program YEARS ago. He's a lot more discreet than guys like Kenji and Paciello, but he does go back to Yonkers every so often. Willie is the perfect example of when these guys create their own rats. He didn't do anything wrong. They forced his hand. The Feds found all that cash in his basement and his partners tried to paint him as a "dope dealer," or a "steroid head," so they could deny having anything to do with that money. Well, the latter may have been true, but he was about as much a dope dealer as Spongebob Squarepants. Something like 40 guys were indicted in that case. At least half the Westchester and Bronx faction of the Gambino family. And they tried to hang the brunt of it on, and these are Willie's own words here, "a two bit leg breaker for the mob." They fucked him good and they paid the price. Willie told the Feds to shove the Program up their asses pretty early on. And to be honest, I have more respect for a guy like that than a guy who begs for protection after he rats. Just my two cents. Sorry for the rant but I always liked the guy.
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Re: Families power in certain areas
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Thx PB. Yeah some guys around Yonkers like to talk bad about him for what he did... but they sure wouldn't do it to his face... he was always one of those guys who even the tough guys were scared of.
"I'll give you undignified. Go fuck yourself. You, Phil... whoever. He's my fuckin' cousin."
"My name is George. I'm unemployed and live with my parents"..
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Re: Families power in certain areas
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I've heard the Luchesses don't even have any activity down there. Is that true? Could you put Philly on the list since Merlino's down there? There's been little, if any, Lucchese activity in Florida in recent years. But I'd hesitate to say they don't have any presence down there anymore. Some more time would have to go by before I'd believe that. Yeah, Merlino's down there, and there's been FBI speculation about what he may be up to with some Philly associates, but only time will tell if it amounts to anything.
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Re: Families power in certain areas
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Since nobody answered I'll guess 1. Whatever's left of the L.A. family 2. Gambinos I wouldn't be surprised if elmwood claimed the LA family is really a close knit family based white collar orginization that the FBI doesn't understand. Unnecessary
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Re: Families power in certain areas
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Since nobody answered I'll guess 1. Whatever's left of the L.A. family 2. Gambinos I wouldn't be surprised if elmwood claimed the LA family is really a close knit family based white collar orginization that the FBI doesn't understand. Unnecessary Ok then.
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Re: Families power in certain areas
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Since nobody answered I'll guess 1. Whatever's left of the L.A. family 2. Gambinos I don't know if any of the families really have the presence left in California to make a judgement. For what it's worth, in the earlier part of the decade, the annual Organized Crime in California reports claimed the biggest threat from traditional organized crime (TOC) to California appeared to be from a few East Coast crime families, who were firmly established in the state and often associated with power brokers in California, engaging in illegal activity between Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Diego; including loansharking, sports bookmaking, and infiltration of legitimate businesses such as parts of the entertainment industry (including the entertainment side of the gaming industry), food service industry, bars, restaurants, and nightclubs used for money laundering, profit skimming, consumer-fraud schemes, tax evasion, etc. But it's interesting that the LCN hasn't even been included in those reports since 2005. The reports also said the LA family was likely to continue to diminish, if not disappear, due to arrests and aging leadership; and they remained only sparsely active in a few illegal schemes, such as fraud and loansharking.
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Re: Families power in certain areas
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Ivy, The Kansas City Family was always close with Chicago. I know they have diminished through attrition and Federal (Rico) prosecutions, but they were a pretty good Family years ago. Are they not one of the current 10 Families left in America? No, not according to the feds or organized crime experts. Again, the ones remaining are the 5 NY families, New Jersey, New England, Philadelphia, Chicago, and maybe Detroit. Also, I don't believe there were originally 24 Families years ago, only because I heard a couple of those real small ones were really part of one of the Bigger Families. For example, The Springfield, Ma crew was part of the Genovese Family in New York. In your opinion and based upon more than one report, how many families were there say back in 1970 versus right now? Springfield, MA was never considered to be it's own family. It's well known that it was always a Genovese crew. There were at least 24 at one point... 1. Genovese 2. Gambino 3. Lucchese 4. Colombo 5. Bonanno 6. Buffalo 7. New England 8. New Jersey 9. Philadelphia 10. Scranton 11. Pittsburgh 12. Cleveland 13. Detroit 14. Chicago 15. Milwaukee 16. St. Louis 17. Kansas City 18. Tampa 19. New Orleans 20. Dallas 21. Denver 22. San Francisco 23. San Jose 24. Los Angeles The ones in question have been... 1. Rochester (whether it remained part of Buffalo or became it's own family in the late 1960's). 2. Rockford (whether it was it's own family or just an extension of the Chicago Outfit). 3. Madison (whether it ever had it's own family or was just an extension of the Milwaukee or Chicago families). 4. Newark (this family was supposedly absorbed by the New York families in the 1930's). 5. Springfield (probably just an extension of the Chicago Outfit). 6. Tuscon (was just Joe Bonanno, his son, and and a handful of loyalists). 7. San Diego (was absorbed by the Los Angeles family after Prohibition). Of the 24 listed above, all (as well as Rochester listed below them) were still recognized by the feds in the 1970's except for Dallas.
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Re: Families power in certain areas
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Okay, That list looks very accurate. I didn't know if they were counting Springfield, Mass as a Family. What happened to Kansas City? No longer viable? Probably have a couple guys left doing things on their own which really isn't a family anymore. Who was the Boss of Scranton? That was a separate family? Must have been real small even 40 years ago.
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Re: Families power in certain areas
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Okay, That list looks very accurate. I didn't know if they were counting Springfield, Mass as a Family. What happened to Kansas City? No longer viable? Probably have a couple guys left doing things on their own which really isn't a family anymore. Who was the Boss of Scranton? That was a separate family? Must have been real small even 40 years ago. After the Strawman bust in the 1980's, there was some residual activity in the 1990's in Kansas City, and even a little over the past decade; including a bookmaking bust in 2010. But the feds no longer recognize them among the remaining formally structured, viable families. Scranton was the Bufalino family. The last boss was William D'Elia before he was indicted in 2006 . And even then he wasn't really the boss of anything anymore, as the family only had a few remaining members left at most. He also testified against Louis DeNaples in 2009. The Bufalinos were never a big family but, at their peak, had significant union clout and strong ties to other families in the Northeast.
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Re: Families power in certain areas
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08/23/14 08:21 PM
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Gambino mobster willie marshall (Potenza)only a couple of higher ups in family new what he was doing but Feds were all over him and communication got cut off and john jr gotti panic.. Rumor has it they are half brothers john gotti went with willie mom and she got pregnant and only greg depalma new and kept it sworn secret with john senior this was back in 60s they met out,one night stand..well don't know how true but willie looks just like john gotti.. And was gonna be proposed.. Jr and willie did have a falling out wonder what about?? That's absurd. Not the part about Willie being a tough guy, because he most certainly was, and I've defended his decision here in the past: http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post698897I'm talking about that nonsense about him being Gotti's son and Greg knowing about it. Because first of all, Willie didn't start out with Greg, he started out with Vinny Artuso. Second of all, that's not the type of secret that would have stayed a secret. And third, he doesn't even look like Gotti. Thick dark hair and built like a truck, sure. But not his facial features. Off topic, there was a rumor going around recently that Willie died. And welcome to the board, Vitto .
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