Hi Gary,

$50-$100 million would seem really high, but who knows. He's been in the game a looong time. He's been at or near the top for decades.

The funny thing is what does he spend it on?! LOL. Maybe he owns yachts and stuff in other countries. From what I've heard he drives a pick-up and lives in a very modest apartment building.

Yeah i would be surprised if it was over 15 million. Also than money go out faster than it comes in and with him keeping his name outta things i,m sure he's paying a hefty sum to his lawyers but i only guessing on that but i just don't see it being over 10, but then again Jimmy mercello offered up 12.5 million in bond during FS but that was real estate. My guess would be between 5-10 million that he can touch.

Difronzo is worth over 30 million

Exactly, Marcello offered up $12 million in real estate, most of it in his family's name. I'm sure it's his.

Joe Fosco said DiFronzo was cheap and never gave anyone anything except maybe but a drink now and again! Ha!

I guess he worked hard for it, killing all those people, he wants to keep it.

SgWaue86, did you ever go to the Loon? I didn't but went to the My Way. I think it's closed now. Funny that was the meeting spot for the Outfit. It was like a glorified Denny's.

One place that was actually pretty good is, the old Armory Lounge is now a place called Andrea's Restaurant. It's actually a pretty good diner. Funny to sit there and eat and think how Ginacana ordered the executions of 200 plus people from there.

Yeah he very well could be, but i think that the figure is closer to 10-15 million that is readily avaiable but then agian im just guessing. There's no tax return for these guys and i dont know what he's pulling from the car dealerships and D&P but 30-50 million is a whole lotta money but it's completey possiable.

No i never went to the Loon but i bet there business has improved since that I-Team report. I guess if you really think about it it's easy to say all the real-estate,car dealships, constuction companies, and other things we dont know about it would be easy to say yeah 30-50 so it's anyone's guess. The price for land is the city is insane too so i can see it now that i think about it but it also wouldn't surprise me if it came out that he's worth less than 10.

Read it on ANP

Also said Marco and Joe are worth 15 million

I really don't have the faintest clue. Except you can say when he started it was probably raking in billions per year, and he was very high up during some of the glory years, and now he is the chief, and he doesn't strike me as a particularly benevolent person so it wouldn't surprise me if he was, for instance, taking a ton off the top re: the casino.

Ha... Bobby Abbinanti owned the My Way but I think it's closed.

What kind of dimwit would hire D&P. "I think I'll get in bed with the mob... they seem pretty cool."

Good to see the great discussion about our home town bad boys. Well done, fellas!

If only some of these f***kers would get arrested, there'd be more to talk about!

Only the City of Chicago, at least a few years ago before it became big news. But then again, no one ever said the City of Chicago government was very smart.

I agree. He probably has to much money to even consider it though. His family is probably taken care of and not losing anything to pay back his debts.

Would be interesting just because so much is not know about the outfit, compared to NYC. Nick Calabrese flipped and we learned so much and he wasn't even a major player. Lombardo has been a major player for what? 40 years?

all the five families do is get indicted and snitch on each other

you compare chicago to boston but boston just had some capos turn state

white crooks don't get arrested often in illinois so you can't base the syndicates production based on the fact they don't get indicted. not too mention that the syndicate is based in the suburbs of chicago and rural areas of illinois. so them getting arrested doesn't happen because they're either running the town politically or juicing the town through contracts

I could set up shop this day in jersey, Jersey not chicago, and i wouldnt worry about getting a visit. And i live 10 min from Tony Sopranos house, to give u a picture... Who gets shaken down? Dumb ass bookies who play gangster. If u control the limits of ur guys u dont have to get tough or worry about them paying.... If ur worrying, they are worrying. Thats how u get caught, bettors run to the cops or a made dude. And ur fuckeddddd.... There are several low key books in NJ. Not all are small either! Makes me wanna make book in south philly! Tell those marmondano brothers to kiss my ass...

Great points. I can definitely see the fact that his family is sitting pretty as a reason for someone like Lumbo not to flip. Wiki says he's been in the Outfit since the 50s, so more like 60 years. That's why I say he would probably know virtually everything. Same with No Nose.

But I doubt it will ever happen.

It's also possible that these guys did so much fu##ed up shit that they simply couldn't face it all.

You should come here and take over like the guy on "Site Takeover!"

Heya punk call me papers... Ya heard? Lmao good idea!

If I knew how to start a book I would consider it!

just finished reading family affair by sam giancana and scott burnstein, good read. the accardo book by william f roemer is shit though only halfway through and doubt ill finish it. bit boring and focuses on a lot of irrelevant backstory stuff too much. read anthony casso's bio a few months ago - decent read.

Not that hard! Get a sheet

I actually thought Accardo: The Genuine Godfather was Roemer's best book.

Accardo: The Genuine Godfather

There were some errors relative to names, places, etc., but I thought the book was okay. I did some cross- referencing (FBI files) and what little I could find proved to be accurate.

I do think the book focused a little too much on Mr. Roemer.

The worst Outfit book is Double Cross. Total crap.

if the new york families were so strong then why are there so many rats?

do you have a giant telescope that lets you see into chicago?

you don't even know what towns the syndicate operates in but u know so much about what's going on in the chicago area. the new york mobs are full of cooperators and don't have a monopoly on crime anymore so how are they so powerful

Rats are certainly one criteria to judge a family's strength but not the only one. The Colombos are 4 times the size of the Outfit, for instance.



Yeah, it's made up of indictments and reports indicating the current state of the family.



I don't need to know certain particulars to know the general state of the modern day Outfit. And keep in mind that even in New York far more members don't flip than do. The guys that flip just get more attention. The NY families are still the strongest, as they've always been and always will be, because they're the largest, most active, most diversified, most expansive, etc.

New York are still involved in things Chicago isn't. Many New York families still have ties to unions, construction, garbage, cement, drywall, carpenters, the docks, etc. Last time there was a union involving Chicago I think was when Caruso and his brothers were kicked out of a laborers local.

DiFronzo has D&P but that's just one company. Take the recent garbage case we've seen in New York. It defintely will not be the last. Add on the massive books and loansharking operations NYC crews run that's a hell of a lot of money.

I think what sets New York apart is that even with today's law enforcement they are always trying to find new industries to move into, and new more sophisticated ways of making money. I defintely don't see that from Chicago. I think they are still around but are fading.

Yeah, the New York families have been the only ones who have consistently been involved in large financial scams in recent years. I say consistently because Chicago, for instance, has had a few cases. Anthony Boscarino recently pled guilty to running a multi-million dollar internet gambling investment scam. Back in 2002, Nick Boscarino and another guy were involved in an insurance scam. And, of course, there was the case involving the siphoning off of $10 million from the city of Cicero back in 2001.

The NY families also still have a significant stake in the drug trade, though one can argue that the Outfit benefits from staying out of narcotics.

Outfit involvement in unions in recent years is interesting. There really hasn't been a labor racketeering indictment directly related to the Outfit since the 1990's. A lot of guys were booted from the Laborers Union in the late 1990's and the Carusos held out for a few years after that. There was the big RISE investigation into ongoing Outfit involvement with the Teamsters. And various allegations involving 9 IBT locals in Chicago were included. But nothing that ever actually resulted in an indictment. In 2004, Pudgy Matassa was reported to be running Amalgamated Transit Workers Union Local 711 but it was said to be small and struggling financially. Fosco made allegations about the DiFronzos meddling in Teamsters Local 703 but nothing seems to have come from that either.

I see it this way. LE constantly has to indict NYC guys to keep them down or else they'll just rebuild. With Chicago I don't think the Feds are trying quite as hard or even need to.

That's a good way to put it. Back in the 1999 UN report on the LCN, it said that while the LCN remained a significant priority in the New York area, things were "under control" elsewhere. General attrition has always done most of the work at killing off LCN families. Indictments just help the process along. And now, with the remaining small families outside New York, it doesn't take as much resources to keep them in check while attrition takes it's toll. During the 1990's, the FBI had two squads investigating the Outfit - one for the Cicero crew and one for the 26th Street crew. Now it has one and it also investigates other organized crime in addition to the Outfit.