Well from what i heard Joe A, is sick and living out his days in florida, joe kong is also sick and chris spina got what he had let, i guess toots is still makeing money, and at this point i think that its pretty rough out here for these guys not alot of money and alot of headaches, i know there's still some sort of pecking order but i wouldnt say it a heriarchal thing cause i know guys who do what they want and worry about the fallout later. What do you think is left?