Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: cookcounty

and you know whose numbers are inflated because???????

nick calabrese gave the names of 60 made guys

but i guess his numbers are inflated too



Look, genius, I posted the figures straight from the FBI above. 28 and 30. They're right there for all to see. What more do you need?

And there was only a snippet in a Sun Times article where the journalist said Calabrese identified 60 members. Journalists often use the word "members" generically and fail to differentiate between who's actually made and who isn't. To make it even more confusing, as we saw in the Family Secrets indictment itself, guys can be a "member" of a certain crew but not be a "made member" of the Outfit.

The actual number of made guys, according to the FBI, seems to be 30 at most. At least as of 2007. That makes Scott's 50-80 figure inflated. And that's not surprising considering he's also inflated the figures for Detroit. Back in 1996, the total membership for Detroit was 30 at most. But over the past several years, his charts on the RD forum have ranged anywhere from 30 to almost 60 members. And he finally admitted, at one point, that he doesn't differentiate between members and associates on his charts. So him doing the same with Chicago isn't hard to imagine.

The bottom line is, you have an agenda and you'll go with whatever number is the biggest. If somebody else came along and claimed the Outfit had 100 members, you'd drop the 50-80 members immediately and go with the bigger figure.



first you claim no chart was ever posted stating the syndicate has 50-80 made men active, inactive or in jail. now you're admitting that there was a chart but those numbers were inflated.

now you're claiming that nick calabrese gave the names of 60 made men but they didn't differentiate if they were made or just members. common sense will tell you that the government asked him to name as many made guys as he could in open court. not too mention steve warmbir specifically said calabrese named 60 made men. so either you can't read or you're a liar, and we know you can read

Last edited by cookcounty; 02/11/13 05:37 PM.