i wish i still had that fbi chart from either 2008, 2009, or 2010 ( i cant remember the exact year) but on that chart it said there were between 50-80 made men in chicago (active, in jail, or inactive)

the chart was saved on a different computer

it listed difronzo as boss, andriacchi as streetboss, and d'amico as consigliere

I believe you're referring to this 2010 chart at the link below. It wasn't from the FBI but from a couple posters over on the RD forum. Considering the feds specifically cited 28 members in 2007, they obviously took some liberties with who they labeled a "soldier."

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7967/outfitt.gif

naw it was actually a real fbi chart

i got it from the realdealforum so it might still be on there

i'm sorry that it pains you to hear this but it was a real fbi chart and it stated that they have between 50-80 made men, active, inactive, or in jail

No, it's not an FBI chart. Like I said, two posters (specifically mcscott and Atardi) made that chart. Mcscott is, of course, author Scott Bernstein, who has written books on the Detroit and Chicago mobs. And he says he got his information from the CCC and the feds. However, while not ignoring the good information he does provide, I don't take his numbers at face value. He seems to inflate the membership totals for both families. We can all look at the exact quote from the FBI in 2007 that cites 28 members. But then Scott and Atardi come up with a chart a few years later that lists over 90+ members? Something doesn't add up. Judging by your name, I'm sure you're more than happy to go with whichever number is the biggest. It's obvious your goal here is to represent your hometown crime family as best you can. You wouldn't happen to be the same guy who went by the name "cookcountyrowdy" over on the RD years ago, would you?


"We have 28 made members of the Chicago Outfit roaming in the Chicagoland area. We have over 100 associates of the Chicago Outfit."
- Robert Grant, FBI (2007)
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=5681103

i am not talking about the chart composed by two posters

i'm talking about a chart posted by somebody that was a journalist

50-80 made members (active, inactive, or in jail)

[quote=cookcounty]i am not talking about the chart composed by two posters

i'm talking about a chart posted by somebody that was a journalist

50-80 made members (active, inactive, or in jail)

He hasn't been here long enough to just listen to you Ivy. As you have eluded to many times you are the only one who gets it. The Mafia Insider! Catchy screen name too!

Just because somebody is a journalist or author, doesn't mean everything they say is gospel. And where do you get this 50-80 members from? That chart Scott came up with shows over 90 members. But either way, both numbers are inflated, as the FBI specifically cited 28 members in 2007. Of course, you choose to ignore that number because you don't like it.

I'm not asking him to take my word for it. That's why I posted the statement from the FBI for everybody to see. It's right there.

Just because somebody is a journalist or author, doesn't mean everything they say is gospel. And where do you get this 50-80 members from? That chart Scott came up with shows over 90 members. But either way, both numbers are inflated, as the FBI specifically cited 28 members in 2007. Of course, you choose to ignore that number because you don't like it. [/quot

He hasn't been here long enough to just listen to you Ivy. As you have eluded to many times you are the only one who gets it. The Mafia Insider! Catchy screen name too!

i am not going off of any chart composed by members of a messageboard

if anybody on this forum is a member of the RD forum then they should search for the fbi chart that i'm referring to because it's on there

I'm a member of the RD forum and have been so for over 6 years. And I'm here to tell you there is no FBI chart showing 50-80 members posted there or anywhere else.

Just because somebody is a journalist or author, doesn't mean everything they say is gospel. And where do you get this 50-80 members from? That chart Scott came up with shows over 90 members. But either way, both numbers are inflated, as the FBI specifically cited 28 members in 2007. Of course, you choose to ignore that number because you don't like it. [/quot

He hasn't been here long enough to just listen to you Ivy. As you have eluded to many times you are the only one who gets it. The Mafia Insider! Catchy screen name too!

you can find an fbi chart from the 1990s that listed 7 chicago street crews, that means they had the strength to have 7 different crews. why would you not be able to believe that they have the strength to have between (50-80 made men arctive, inactive, or in jail just 25 years later?

if you're a member of RD forum then you know goddamn well somebody posted the chart because you saved it to your computer just like i did. i wouldn't be able to tell you whether or not it's still on the website to this day but there was one posted on RD forum within the last 6 years

you can find an fbi chart from the 1990s that listed 7 chicago street crews, that means they had the strength to have 7 different crews. why would you not be able to believe that they have the strength to have between (50-80 made men arctive, inactive, or in jail just 25 years later?

the syndicate doesn't kill each other very often and all of the members of a secret society just didn't up and die in the same year. italians are pretty healthy so they tend to live into their 70s because there ain't that many stresses in their communities

i repeat, it was a different chart than the one composed by the people that made the big blue chart. i repeat, it was a different chart than the one composed by the people that made the big blue chart. i saw a chart posted by a journalist that he allegedy got from the fbi. different fbi people talk to different reporters, who write different articles which contain different infomation for people to use as quotes

And it's not clear in the article if they include "made guys" who were currently incarcerated.

Let's say not, just for arguments sake.

You would still have to subtract, since then: Calabrese Sr., Nick Calabrese, Jimmy Light, Lumbo, The Indian, Tornabene, Fat Ass... I'm probably forgetting a few too.

So that's - 7 right there.

Further, the Builder, No Nose, Sneaky Pete are freaking ancient. Sorry, but you are only capable of masterminding so much crime when you are in your mid-80s.

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Mags shelve

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I refuse to count Rudy Fratto

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So that is just a little left of the 30 made guys estimated in 2007 who are essentially out of the game.

Even keeping the geriatrics in, as I'm sure someone will insist that they are just as wily and dangerous as ever, that's still approximately 33 percent of "made guys" who are out of the game.

And it's not clear in the article if they include "made guys" who were currently incarcerated.

Let's say not, just for arguments sake.

You would still have to subtract, since then: Calabrese Sr., Nick Calabrese, Jimmy Light, Lumbo, The Indian, Tornabene, Fat Ass... I'm probably forgetting a few too.

So that's - 7 right there.

Further, the Builder, No Nose, Sneaky Pete are freaking ancient. Sorry, but you are only capable of masterminding so much crime when you are in your mid-80s.

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Mags shelve

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I refuse to count Rudy Fratto

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So that is just a little left of the 30 made guys estimated in 2007 who are essentially out of the game.

Even keeping the geriatrics in, as I'm sure someone will insist that they are just as wily and dangerous as ever, that's still approximately 33 percent of "made guys" who are out of the game.

Harry, taxes are for suckers!

OK, fair enough, keep the geriatrics.

OK, then who would have been in prison?

Harry Aleman, who has since gone on to receive his final reward
Mario Rainone had just been released after an 18 year stretch, he's now back in prison

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I'm sure I'm forgetting some others.

Harry, taxes are for suckers!

Care to share how you know that?