I take it they were making businesses in the area use their garbage trucks and related companies or something like that.

No bosses or high ranking members?

Hmm. Just speculation, but that leads me to believe that the investigation is ongoing, or why would the Feds bother with the dog and pony show?

The Feds don't want these guys near garbage anymore. Not that you're gonna keep them out entirely, but they're not remotely as involved as they used to be. If the Feds think they're making inroads again, you can bet the other shoe is gonna drop on this one.

HERE IS THE PRESS RELEASE:
http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/January13/OCWasteDisposalArrestsPR.php

Nah its more like bid rigging and territorial shit. Not just like one company at a time (that is done too)... Its more like company a is owned by so and so who is with joe blow. Company a wants to service such and such township so he goes to joe blow who scares off other bidders with threats and shit like that.. Theres alot of other scams to the businesd... Under reporting the weight, over reporting it, not classifying it right, using a bunch of bean eaters instead of union guys....

nypost article

Mobster nabbed in massive bust was given big break by judge in 2012

So when is the fishing trip with George costanza ?

They got Carmine Franco I remember George Anastashia repeating his quote caught on a wire a million times " Goodfellas don't sue Goodfella's,Goodfella's kill Goodfella's -Carmine Franco

Franco has to be almost 80 years old now. The Feds must be super pissed at him because they threw him out of garbage fifteen years ago. That he found his way back into the game must be giving them extra incentive. Poor bastard.

Hey at least we dont have to hear about our nations "moral compass" anymore. As far as teabaggers go, Im not the type to stand and scream like a maniac for anyone. However The Constitution as a document is going to come under great debate whether its a "living" or "adjustable" set of rules. And for once in my life I truely have no idea where I stand. I will state I do not own a gun for the simple reason, I would use it!

Sounds good, but you have the wrong thread .

Sorry fella's between the Morphine and my nurses ass Im not myself!

Here's the indictment -

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/January13/OCWasteDisposalArrestsPR/Franco,%20Carmine%20et%20al.%20Indictment.pdf


These are the made guys involved in the bust...


Genovese:
Anthony “Muzzy” Pucciarello/77
Joseph “Joe Sass” Sarcinella/78
Dominick “Pepe” Pietranico/82
Peter Leconte/42


Gambino:
Anthony Bazzini/53


The lead defendant, Carmine Franco, is listed as a Genovese associate of course.

Who is Joe Sass?? That name sounds really familiar to me!

He's a Genovese soldier who was involved in a gambling bust up in the Bronx not too long ago.

No one was even that important in this bust. This is friggin minnie mouse ball the Feds are playing. Either the garbage influence the mob has is small or it's ingoing and a lot bigger than we think.

There doesn't necessarily have to be a high ranking mob member involved for the case to be important. In addition to this latest bust in garbage, we've seen other cases involving construction and the waterfront in recent years where there were only associates and maybe one or two soldiers charged. But these busts still go to the heart of the mob's power in the tri-state area.

A related indictment involving Lucchese associate Charles Giustra that also came down today. Includes narcotics trafficking, contraband cigarettes, etc.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/January13/OCWasteDisposalArrestsPR/Giustra,%20Charles%20et%20al.%20Indictment.pdf

Random Poster: " I'm Sorry I didn't go to an IVYLEAGUE School like you!!"

IvyLeague: "ahhh actually I didn't ..Its the name of the Genovese Family."

He's an ancient bookmaker here in the Bronx. I have no earthly idea what he's even doing in a case like this. Garbage is definitely not his forte, and it's not something that one generally gets into so late in life. He must be damn near 80 years old. In his case, either the Feds are reaching or they're just looking to rattle an old man. A shame.

PIZZA BOY here is something on Joe Sass:
Firefighter, three geriatric gangsters accused of running gambling ring for Genovese crime family
'They’ve been using the same simple formula since 1975'

A New York City firefighter and three geriatric gangsters were busted in the Bronx Thursday for allegedly running a $2 million-a-year gambling and loansharking ring for the Genovese crime family.

Mob associate Joseph (Joe Sass) Sarcinella, 77, who prosecutors say ran the sports book, has been busted twice before — once in the mid-1970s for running a $50 million operation for Vincent (The Chin) Gigante.

“They’ve been using the same simple formula since 1975,” said one source involved in the Bronx probe.

In 2001, the wiseguy was nailed again for running a $10 million gambling ring in Bronxdale. He pleaded guilty the next year, and served four months — one weekend at a time.

In the 73-page indictment, the Bronx district attorney charged that the eight-man crew — three older than 75 — levied exorbitant interest, sometimes 100% of the bet. The old men sometimes met at Veniero’s on E. 11th St.

"They would summon their loan shark victims to come and settle up," at the pastry shop,”where they nibbled pastry and talked business police said.

Bruno (Cola) Totino, 81, Dominick (Pepe) Pietranico, 81, John D’Abrosio, 54, Frank Mastracchio, 56, Dominick (Whitey) Totino, 44, and Thomas McMahon, 29, were all charged with loansharking and promoting gambling and racketeering - a felony carrying a maximum 25 prison stretch.

McMahon, 29, a seven-year vet of the FDNY assigned to Ladder 38 in Belmont, acted as a runner, collecting bets on the streets and paying out winnings, according to the indictment. He was suspended for 30 days, the Fire Department said.

Prosecutors caught the gangsters on wire tapes shaking down sports gamblers for big money.

“They specialized in football but they took bets on everything,” the source said. “These guys have been doing this for a hundred years. “These are old hands for the family. They’re old pros.”

The operation ran between 2009 and 2011, taking the action through a social club and two offices in Pelham Gardens and Fordham Heights.

McMahon’s uncle, Mastracchio, 56, was also busted for criminal possession of a weapon after cops found a sawed-off shotgun and a pistol in his Bronx home.

McMahon could not be reached for comment..

Murray Richman, the lawyer for all the men except the firefighter, declined to comment.

In the social club on 1480 Mace Ave. Thursday night where bets were allegedly collected, five guys were screaming at each other over the bust.

One man was slammed his hand against the wall and screamed at another “You know how much f--king money that is!”

“You should have f--king known!” a second guy screamed.

But they calmed down when approached by a News reporter.

“Talk to the lawyer,” one of the men said. “There wasn't anything illegal happening here.”

Another man headed to the nearby bodega where he purchased 15 scratch tickets.

It's a time-tested business principle, pizza. Diversification!

Thanks, Beanshooter .

I remember that case from a year or so ago. It turned out to be much ado about nothing. They ALL got off with fines and conditional releases. It was a total waste of time and money. This case is a lot more serious just by virtue of it being a Federal RICO case.

I know that lawyer well, Murray Richman. They call him "Don't Worry Murray." He's a fucking creep, but he's very good. He represents high profile black rappers all the time. Not that those guys are remotely close to real gangsters, but their high profile has made Murray a very rich man.

Is Don't Worry Murray any relation to Better Call Saul?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqnHtGgVAUE

Interesting info on Murray. I found this newspaper article on him and his daughter. He sounds like a real character:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/family_court_izUpVnLnZHOabANMIpERxN

True enough, Ivy. But at his age it just wasn't very smart. Sass was never a tough guy. Not even when he was younger. I had a little back and forth about this with Charlie on the other board, but Joe Sass was very close to Joe Dente Sr. back in the day. They were together constantly.

For a mob skipper, Dente was actually a pretty big hearted guy. He was always looking out for guys who were a little bit "soft," as long as they weren't rats. Dente used to really look out for Sass, and Sass came to count on it. I'm just not sure that he has the kind of Rabbi today that he did back then. My gut tells me that he's being used here, and I feel badly for him.

But I'm just a neighborhood guy. So what the fuck do I know?

Thats weird, i seriously have no idea where i know that name from.

But food for thought- he was with Chin back in the day, assuming he was never released to another crew, his skipper would be Quiet Dom right? So maybe these are his guys..

Well, I have yet to see you say something that contradicts some major well known fact from the feds, etc. so I usually take what you say at face value.

Just to give you an idea of how long he's been around, here's a picture of Sass in 1975. 1975!!!!

So wait these are three Genovese guys and one Gambino guy in a garbage case. Is this looking to go for serious time or light? I mean it just doesn't seem that huge. These guys get busted all the time. It shouldn't be a huge deal for them.