Hey guys, We all know that in the NYC area all the familys are supposed to pass around a list with the names of prospective members and guys tere replacing, we know tho from rats like Massino,Gravano etc, anyway does anyone have a picture of one or any info pertaining to it? I remember hearing something about Junior Gotti getting caught with a typed one on his computer

Junior's was written in crayon.

Quiet Dom was also caught with one

Here's the list that was confiscated from Junior Gotti in 1997. Proposed members on the left, and the dead guys they were replacing on the right.

Here's a retyped version of the induction list that was confiscated from Dom Cirillo in 2005. The left column is deceased members and when they died, right column is proposed members.

Hahaha crayon, an thanks Ivy these are great , one question though the one Gotti had is one he must have received from the Luccheses right?

Yes. The same names were probably past around to all the families in order to sign off on them.

it was origanally an oral list.but every one got lazy.

good shit!

Damn the Lucchese's must've been pissed lol

the guy jerry espito is that chins son? that guy hotdos got released recently now that he's n o longer the school bus union pres and matty horse dead the guy must be screwd whats he do now for a hussle, im sure he's rich as shit.

Chin's sons are Andrew Gigante and Vincent Esposito.

Great finds guys...thanks for posting!

I've always found the Lucchese guys on that list a little curious, Ivy. And I'll tell you why.

Tommy Gelardo was made waaaaaaaaaay before 1997. He got his button in the very late '70s or very early '80s, right after Johnny "Peanuts" Manfredonia was killed. Peanuts and TJ (Gelardo) were Mount Vernon guys. Mount Vernon borders the Northeast Bronx. Peanuts was a made guy, possibly even an acting Lucchese capo, at one time. Right after he was murdered (in his own house), the word quickly went out that TJ was "in charge" up in Mount Vernon.

I also thought Rocky Vitulli was made by the Luccheses in the early '90s, not too long after the Kubecka-Barstow murders. Rocky's father, Nick, was a made guy in the Genovese family. They were Yonkers guys. Yonkers borders the Bronx on the Northwest. Nick owned Vitulli's restaurant on Willow Street in Yonkers for years. He was very tight with Larry "Black" Centore, and absolute powerhouse skipper with the Westside.

So I'm not sure how those two names ended up on that list. It's very possible that they were both jailed at the time, and that they were listed for that reason. But that's just a guess on my part. And it's not like the lawyers could argue, "Hey, these guys weren't proposed, they were made a long time ago." That argument wouldn't have done them any good at all.

My point is, I don't think the Feds knew exactly what they were looking at there. But in the end it didn't matter. Everyone in the 1998 Junior Gotti case ended up pleading out.

pizza you got a point. maybe the guy tommy geraldo was made in 1985 and this paper was a group of guys the gambino wanted to know when or if there made. but the guy patty testa was murder in 91,92 why was he new on that paper.it seems the guy rocco vitulli was 1985 those must have been the last group of guys tony ducks made. anyone know why vincent basciano on the list on the bottom with another guys name, im guessing he got made around 1990 i like the nickname under him bad heart, actual its says 5/89 with basciano. who sally horse pozzi i guess the bonanno.

Gamms,

That is just pure speculation on your part in order to submit such a bold statement I hear by require you to provide the following

Three citations in mla format
1.) No Wikipedia
2.) 1 book
3.) 1 Newspaper
3.) 1 internet

I look forward to you expected cooperation on this matter.

DNM

That's cuz I knows my shit .

(CLEARING THROAT)Ummm Hmmmm... Pizza Good Morning....

I beg to differ about Johnny Peanuts. Can you provide any documentation? Thank You

Let's not go down that road. I'm not involved in that nonsense and I'd like to keep it that way.

Wasnt Bobby Bad Heart some tough old school guy? I cant remember anything about him for the life of me!

lol Steve Buscemi

Ik it's the same as Boardwalk, but he's an actual made guys on the Westside

I was surprised to see Vinny Gorgeous in such a weird spot.

Vinny Gorgeous... they're gona bury that fuckin guy under the prison.

I've been to Vitulli's restaurant when I was a kid. I notice there's not much posted about the Yonkers crew. Does anyone have any stories they could share? I'm from that area and lived close to a restaurant that was called the Hawaii Sons (on Bronx River Road). I heard it was a mob run establishment.

I have an inkling that in more recent times several guys have been quietly made without anyone's knowledge, in other words lots of ghosts or sleepers. Now I know some smartass will chime in with some bullshit like, well duh that's how it's supposed to be. But the reason I'm saying this is that since about the mid-1980s to say, early 2000s, when the mob was making a bunch of noise and constantly in the papers, us mob enthusiasts practically had all the mob guys mapped out. I believe that's less the case today with them keeping such a low profile. That's just my thoughts. It's just a gut feeling though, I'm not saying for sure.

I have said that a few times:

From the 60’s and on they had atleast a few guys pretty high up feeding information.

I don’t know the official end but the Top Echelon Informer
program is dead.

Between Scarpa, and Whitey Burger’s handler’s both got indicted and charged with murder.
Devichio got off
Buglers handler got life I believe.

After that more recently you had Frank Sparaco who committed murders while in the program and Mark Rosetti

No more of the that program.
The O.C. Squads are a shell of what they were.
No more murders.
No more social clubs.
No more Rockerfella drug laws.

Learning from past mistakes and going back to its roots.

As I also previously said they don’t even know who the 1,2 and 3 guys are for any family.

Maybe the Luchesse’s because of Penessi.

They are certainly behind on new members as the families are probably holding new inductions yearly or every other year.

with vincent esposito being busted with a list in 2019 i think r we to assume he is made or is he continuing the messenger role for the genovese.