Hey you might be good wit hand guns but they dont go more than 40-50 yards....

A little tough on sayin guilty across the board..I think most of what they did was wrong ie. no show job ,taking from heath care,intimadateing a guy to sell his video machines for less..Yea you can callem guilty for that.. but these days the loansharkin and gamblin should be left out,Even using the machines to make money...Because here in philly area we got a casino in every surburb chester area,king of prussia,and parkx casino outside ne phiiy..we can put a casino in every north,west, southren suburb and 1 in philly also..But to put someone away for gamblin charges is kinda bullshit..Goverment can make it but we cant..BUT HEY 1-800-gambler..! the nerve....Bring on more mexians takin all jobs an puttin rest over seas..!Makin people wanna gamble,stealsell,drugs ect... But i Wasnt mad at you, i agree 90% with you and all your post.. but the gamblin/loanshrkn charges are kinda bs..

Im kiddin u bro.

They legalized Gambling back in early 2006 the first casino I remember opening close by was Parx I like Harrahs too not a big fan of sugarhouse I've been to parx and harrahs my fair share of times this time about 2 years ago and would play craps for hours sometimes at first they were just approved for sluts and video poker

For the guys that kept saying the jury seemed dis-interested or bored they sure are taking a long time for their verdict.I mean its not like they were watching a sporting event,you can only show so much emotion sitting in a juror's seat.

2-3 days isn't a long time. Besides, a longer deliberation is a good sign for the defense. It shows that the jurors might not be able to agree on a verdict. Based on the last news report posted, the jury is focusing on Moussie, Joe and Staino and the video poker machines. A good sign for the other defendants.

Does anybody remember how long it took the jury to reach a verdict back during the 01 trial?

I don't remember when they started deliberations but they reached a verdict late in the afternoon on a friday.i might go to the archives and look that up.

In the 2001 trial the jury began deliberations on Sat. July 14th and reached a verdict around 5 00 p.m. on Fri.July 20th.

Just read the transcript from today's trial where the jury wanted to hear more Staino tapes.You can spin that anyway you want but I don't think when a friend lends another friend money he talks about choping people up or killing them.How in the world could that be good for the defens?

How many made guys have Philly got out on the street right now?

Probably 20 max

Damn, they're quoted as having 50-60 members, surely 30 can't be in jail?

"The request to revisit certain tapes suggested the panel was working on charges toward the end of the 52-count indictment.
However, jurors could be deciding individual loansharking and gambling charges before weighing Count One — the racketeering conspiracy charge facing all seven defendants. "

Sounds about right, I stated (see above) that I believe it will be guilty across the board with everybody getting convicted of at least one charge. Reading that the jury could be analyzing specific charges for each of these defendants makes this even more plausible IMO.

I counted about 30 total outside prison

Doesnt mean they are all active, as can be seen from the recent philly indictments the family doesnt have enough rackets/influence IMO to have 30 guys earning enough on their own on the street at the same time without some guys clashing with other guys. Not enough money to go around.

please list these guys

when they all walk you gonna come on here and say you were wrong?

What did you do when you ran out of fingers to count with?

Obcourse I am, I always admit when I am wrong (and right) and have done so in the past (I predicted Tommy Shots was going to be found guilty of murder which was wrong, he was convicted of conspiracy to murder).

You going to admit you were wrong when ONE of these guys is found guilty?

If they get convicted, will you?

Just asking because Dapper already posted that he would.

I guess they were paying attention after all

Lol well I admired the charts they had on here when I joined so I made a little one on my IPhone,a little strange I know haha, Also Dapp I sent ya a Pm

I mean in the overall big picture of everything he did loan a guy 50k who was not paying and was leading staino on, i am pretty sure that would piss everyone else and then find out he loans some other guy more money which means he had the money in the first place.....again its kind of a weak case when you are sitting on one loan to a friend and then basically getting nothing on tape when they are in vegas....it should be interesting

Bottom line is No one in this case deserves more then a nickel ! It should be a state case and the government should focus on the Violent crimes in this country ! Is everyone innocent ,I don't think so , but our country needs to go after violent criminals causing real problems . I think a few of the counts will come back as Not Proven ! Do I think they made any money,answer is NO! Give the guys a fine ,and let our government go after the real Violent criminals in this country ! The news papers and TV don't even want to cover this trial. This is not Gofather,Goodfellows , and it's not Scareface ! Just my thoughts !

I watch this show on Friday's called Gangland,and to me the surprising thing is in every city,state,across the country there is some sort of gang and plenty of violence.It may seem that law enforcement is a step behind but still they somehow dismantle these gangs and put plenty of them away.The problem is somebody just takes their place and its a never ending cycle.You always hear the commentator or a law enforcement guy at the end say these gangs are not wiprd out,their just re-organizing and they come back stronger than ever.So yes I do think the government goes after these violent offenders,but there is always someone to take their place.I also always hear the cost of this investigation over a 10-11 yr. period,but doesn't the government have like a fund from busting major players and they confiscate their houses,vehicles,and all their assets.I always thought they got a lot of their funding that way.

Yeah, 'cause the guys guys who killed Ronnie Turchi, Long John Martorano, Johnny Gongs, Gino DiPietro and several others aren't violent.

These guys are gangsters but this trial is not about murder it is the Federal givernment implying that to the jurors in this case and trying to show the jurors that these are bad guys that mess up society. Did they murder those people? Probably. But this trial is based on fraud and gambling, and you can look 15 blocks North in philly and 50 blocks West and see killing everyday that continues that is far worse than what these guys are accused of in this trial. They basically have wasted 10 years and tons of money trying to get someone to flip on Ligambi for a murder charge and havent done it, that may happen with Niccodemo later on but it hasnt occured in this case

of course i would

Just out of curiosity Merlino how should they handle those killings in north phila and west philly.Should they put 2 feds on every corner,even if they did it still wouldn't stop.Didn't years ago the National Guard or was it the State Police that took over Camden to get that straightened out.How did that go?sometimes I think you guys think that law enforcement should go everywhere in the country but South Philly.