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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
[Re: jmack]
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I agree with SPMob. I don't think they have as good a case against dame as they do others, but he is on tape talking about the machines. I think they probably get him on that charge but it wouldn't surprise me if he got off. He and scoops seem to have the weakest cases against them. That said, these blanket racketeering charges usually have things that stick. That's exactly what their problem is. The Feds have a better than 90% trial conviction rate with those charges. But time will tell. It won't be long now.
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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12/10/12 08:46 PM
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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12/10/12 10:29 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong but didn't your brother say something along the lines of, "I wanna crack his head open" when referring to Ralphie. And you and I both know nothing good goes on at the Ward. Doesn't help that he was already doing something like five years when this indictment came down. And correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Damion already have something like four serious priors already? I'm not judging your brother, SP13. I'm not even a Philly guy; I'm a Bronx guy. I'm just trying to look at this objectively because you're treating Dapper unfairly. Because the truth is, things don't look so good for your brother right now. I understand what it's like to have family in that courtroom. Believe me when I tell you that. I know how frustrating it can be. But Dapper didn't say anything out of line. Thank you pizzaboy, your absolutely right. Fact is southphilly13, Damion is on tape openly talking about making collections of debts for "Ant and Joe's money", also talking about joker poker machines in bars, this proves the existence of the racketeering/criminal enterprise which is the balls behind RICO charges. No need to take out your frustrations on me, so fall back and calm down. You dont need violence, just the threat or the historical reputation of it works just as well to get people to pay which is what happened and what the feds are arguing that happened in this case.
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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12/10/12 10:31 PM
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I agree with SPMob. I don't think they have as good a case against dame as they do others, but he is on tape talking about the machines. I think they probably get him on that charge but it wouldn't surprise me if he got off. He and scoops seem to have the weakest cases against them. That said, these blanket racketeering charges usually have things that stick. I completely agree with you. Their case against Damion and Licata isnt as good as it is against the others, but there is a case.
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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12/11/12 06:53 AM
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Thanks man, sure dapper will have it up on his blog soon enough True of just go to Philly.com or google beloff Philadelphia and articles come up it's interesting since its a name from the past. [b][/b] At DAP you need to step up on these boards maybe some of the mods could promote you to acting boss till Don Cardi gets back.. IVY LEAGUE was demoted to a solider or might be put on the shelf this week IVY and IMAMOBGUY will have to go see the ruling panel of the Genovese Family later this week
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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12/11/12 08:25 PM
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Tessio: Barzini's people chisle my territory and we do nothing about it. Pretty soon there won't be anyplace in Brooklyn that I can hang my hat. Michael: Try and be patient. Clemenza: I'm not asking for help, Mike, just take off the handcuffs. Michael: Be patient. Clemenza: We gotta protect ourselves. At least give me the chance to recruit some new men. Michael: No. I don't want to give Barzini any excuse to start fighting. Tessio: Mike, you're wrong. Clemenza: Don Corleone, you once said the day would come when me and Tessio could form our own families. Until today I would never think of such a thing but now I must ask your permission. Don Corleone: Well, Michael's head of the family now and if give his permission then you have my blessing. Michael: After we make the move to Nevada you can break off from the Corleone Family and go off on your own. After we make the move to Nevada. Clemenza: How long will that take? Michael: Six months. Tessio: Forgive me, Godfather, but with you gone me and Pete will come under Barzini's thumb sooner or later. Clemenza: And I hate that Goddamn Barzini. In six months time there won't be nothin' left to build on. Don Corleone: Do you have faith in my judgement? Clemenza: Yes. Don Corleone: Do I have your loyalty? Clemenza: Yes, always Godfather. Don Corleone: Then be a friend to Michael. Do as he says. Michael: There are negotiations being made that are going to answer all of your questions and solve all of your problems. That's all I can tell you right now. Carlo, you grew up in Nevada. When we make our move there you're going to be my right hand man. Tom Hagen is no longer Consigliari. He's going to be our lawyer in Vegas. That's no reflection on Tom it's just the way I want it. Besides, if I ever help who's a better Consigliari than my father. That's it. [Everyone except Hagen leaves] Tom Hagen: Mike, why am I out? Michael: You're not a wartime Consigliari, Tom. Things could get rough with the move we're making. Don Corleone: Tom, I advised Michael. I never thought you were a bad Consigliari. I thought Santino was a bad Don, rest in peace. Michael has all my confidence as do you. But there are reasons why you must have nothing to do with what's going to happen. Tom Hagen: Maybe I could help. Michael: You're out, Tom.
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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12/12/12 10:44 AM
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I'm excited to hear about Philly too but I had a quick question... whatever happened to Ralph Perna, Cetta and their sons in that Gambling case a few years back? Sentencing???
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
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http://www.bigtrial.net/2012/12/prosecution-rests-in-mob-trial.html Prosecution Rests in Mob Trial The prosecution ended its case Wednesday against mob boss Joe Ligambi and six co-defendants where it began two months ago, playing a taped conversation made by mobster-turned-informant Nicholas "Nicky Skins" Stefanelli. The conversation, featuring Stefanelli, Louis "Big Lou" Fazzini and Joseph "Scoops" Licata, was recorded in October 2010 at a meeting at the American Bistro, a restaurant in Belleville, N.J., just outside of Newark. Licata, 71, is a co-defendant in the ongoing trial. Fazzini, 45, pleaded guilty earlier this year. A North Jersey-based capo with the Philadelphia crime family, Licata has been the forgotten man in the case. His name has seldom been mentioned by witnesses who the prosecution has used to tie Ligambi and the other co-defendants to gambling, extortion and loansharking operations at the heart of an alleged racketeering conspiracy. But as he had been on another Stefanelli tape played back in October at the start of the trial, Licata was the principal speaker and center stage at the American Bistro meeting, commenting on the historyof the crime family, former mob boss Nicodemo "Little Nicky" Scarfo and Philip "Crazy Phil" Leonetti, Scarfo's nephew and underboss who became a cooperating witness. The prosecution apparently hopes that another history lesson, in Licata's own words, will reinforce the allegation that he is part of the racketeering conspiracy. Specifically, he is charged with engaging in sports betting and with arranging a no-show job for Fazzini with a North Jersey union. The snippets of conversation played Wednesday, however, had little to do with those charges. Instead, Licata is heard complaining about problems during the Scarfo era and about Leonetti going bad. While not directly blaming Scarfo, he is heard telling Stefanelli and Fazzini how Scarfo "left the nephew there, that rat that buried all them guys." Ironically, mention of Leonetti at the trial coincides with the publication of a new book, "Mafia Prince," written by Leonetti and Scott Burnstein, a Detroit-based organized crime reporter. In fact, U.S. District Court Judge Eduardo Robreno, in dismising the jury for the day Wednesday, cautioned members of the panel not to read anything about the case and made a specific reference to a recently published "book" without mentioning Leonetti by name. "It is what it is," Stefanelli, a soldier in the Gambino crime family who had begun wearing a wire for the FBI in 2009, said in reply to Licata's lament. Stefanelli committed suicide early in 2011 and has never testified. Dozens of tapes that he made, however, figure to surface in cases still being built by the FBI in New York and North Jersey. The Ligambi trial is the first time any of Stefanelli's tapes have been played in public. Licata also critized the late Saul Kane, a top Scarfo associate, who he said "was brainwashing" another mobster to whom he was sending letters in prison. The tone and tenor of Licata's comments seemed to focus on turmoil and discontent with the Scarfo regime. In a brief cross-examination of FBI Agent John Augustine, Licata's lawyer Christopher Warren pointed out that Licata was talking about events that occurred in the 1980s. Warren has argued that the Stefanelli tapes and Licata's comments on them have no relevance to the ongoing trial. He has described his client and the others picked up in those conversations, including Ligambi and several members of the Gambino crime family, as "a bunch of geriatric gangsters talking about the old days." In fact, Licata underscored that point when he told Stefanelli, "They're all my friends, the originals. All my friends from 25 years ago." The prosecution also played several other tapes recorded in Philadelphia during the Ligambi investigation, although defense attorneys seemed unclear what points were being made. On one recorded in late April 2004, co-defendant and mob underboss Joseph "Mousie" Massimino has a discusson about who was coming to dinner for Mother's Day. In another there is talk about "fried meatballs." Massimino's lawyer, Joseph Santaguida, referred to the "meatball" tape when prosecutors moved to enter the conversations into evidence. He also said that an unknown male who in another phone call told Massimino his grandson "wanted to meet the underboss" was clearly joking. Co-defendant Damion Canalichio was heard on other tapes from 2006 talking about how he had gotten drunk at a wedding reception, had little recollection of what he had said or done and worried if he had offended anyone. Told by an associate that Marty Angelina was aware of what had happened, Canalichio said he wasn't concerned about Angelina. "Marty's fuckin' worst drunk than me," he replied. Angelina is another defendant in the case who pleaded guilty prior to the start of the trial. The jury is in recess now until Tuesday when the defense will begin presenting its evidence. Closing arguments are scheduled for Jan.3 following a break for the holidays. Lawyers are expected back in court Thursday to argue Rule 29 motions seeking to have the charges dropped for lack of evidence or the prosecution's failure to prove the allegation. Robreno has not indicated when he will rule on those motions, but is likely to do so before Tuesday. Co-defendant Anthony Staino, 54, said as he left the federal courthouse (Staino and alleged bookmaker Gary Battaglinii are the only defendants free on bail) that while he thought some of the motions had merit, he doubted any would be granted. The last piece of evidence shown to the jury Wednesday before the prosecution rested was a video surveillance tape made by the Philadelphia Police Department's Organized Crime Unit. The tape showed Ligambi and others entering the Saloon, a South Philadelphia restaurant, for what authorities said was a mob Christmas party on Dec. 17, 2009. Police Officer Cynthia Felicetti, who worked the surveillance detail, identified the individuals she saw going into and coming out of the restaurant that night. She said she and her partner were tailing Ligambi and Staino. Staino drove to the Saloon and, over the course of the next three hours, she said, they watched and video-taped mobsters entering and leaving the restaurant. The tape shown to the jury included shots of Ligambi, Staino, Fazzini and Licata. Others seen that night, she said, included Angelina, Massimino, Gaeton Lucibello (who also pleaded guilty pre-trial), Steven Mazzone, Michael Lancelotti, Frank Narducci Jr. and the late Frank Gambino. Felicetti said everyone was well dressed. In his cross-examination, Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr., said the Philadelphia Police Department "was on it like three quarts of paint" when they saw Ligambi and the others heading for the restaurant for what he described as a "holiday party." Keeping with a theme he has established throughout the trial, Jacobs implied that Ligambi and the others have been targeted not for anything they've done, but rather for who they are. Jacobs asked Felicetti if is weren't true that "this was a group of nicely dressed, Italian-American men going to a popular restaurant during the hollidays?" The police officer conceded that that was an accurate description. She also noted that while conducting her surveillance she saw a member of the Philadelphia Parking Authority ticket Staino's car because he had parked it too close to a fire hydrant. The ticket was introduced as evidence. Staino apparently paid the fine. Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2012/12/prosecution-rests-in-mob-trial.html#5O5bHu5JomP8uvGg.99
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
[Re: southphilly old head]
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12/12/12 10:16 PM
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JerryB from the other forum uploaded some more trial testimony for the dates of 10/31 thru 11/2 on the case including the Nicky Skins tapes and FBI agent Jack Garcia, you can download it here http://www.mediafire.com/?l9601vxsic6kcv...0f4x1cx26yor116 ive listened to most of it already: - joe grande was planning on taking over the philly fam with the backing of scarfo jr and sr, scoops -lucchese fam (scarfo jr) was trying to recruit members/rackets, etc - stevie mazzone is consig, they were waiting for him to get off supervised release to make dom grande and sonny mazzone - a bunch of the scarfo era guys (joe grande, narducci bros, charlie iannece) were mentioned in the meeting with ligambi and john gambino, seems most of them are back in the game - mousie was making some cash with tony proto from the gambinos -they talked about the admin over the past few years which from my understanding looked like this official boss- skinny joey acting boss/official underboss- ligambi acting underboss- mousie consig- mazzone capos - mikey lance, angelina, and scoops - scoops has a big mouth talking about joey shooting scarfo jr, cursing vic amuso/the lucchese fam, and complaining about mousie doing business in his area to ligambi
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges?
[Re: southphilly old head]
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12/12/12 10:32 PM
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Now that nicodemo was taken in for a mob hit today,if the jury hears about this news, this throws the whole defense argument of "no violence, etc" out the window.
Any way you slice it, the murder today is not good news for those on trial. Their only saving grace is the prosecution rested their case, but lawyers are slick maybe the judge can grant them an extra day to go at it. I wonder if the judge will mention something about this murder at the trial, I dont remember but I thought the jury was being sequestered for this trial?...
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