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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #680992
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Didnt look too good for Ligambi, Staino, or Mousie today in court.

"Joseph Procaccini, a major video poker machine vendor in the Philadelphia area, told a federal jury Tuesday that mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and two of his top associates forced Procaccini and a business partner to give up their control of a highly lucrative poker machine distribution network back in 2001.

"If we didn't deal with them they were just going to take it and we'd be left with nothing," Procaccini said when asked how Ligambi and his associates took 34 video poker machines assigned to 20 different locations. "We would get hurt if we didn't play ball with them...They said if we did, they wouldn't bother the rest of our business."

Dressed in a gray, sharkskin suit, black shirt and gray tie, Procaccini, 53, spent two hours detailing what authorities have charged was the extortion of his buisness, M&P Vending, by Ligambi and co-defendants Joseph "Mousie" Massimino and Anthony Staino.
In what may have been the most damaging testimony to date in the two-month-old trial, Procaccini said he and his business partner met with Ligambi and Massimino in May 2001 to dicsuss a business proposal.
The meeting, Procaccini testified, was set up by Joseph Malone, a South Philadelphia bar owner and the father-in-law of mobster Steven Mazzone."

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2012/12/the-philadelphia-mob-made-us-offer-we.html


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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: spmob] #680993
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Originally Posted By: spmob
And if I am honest... i hope they get off for what they were charged for.


rooting for the hometown mob?


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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: Dapper_Don] #681053
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Dapper, that testimony looks like the best for the feds and worst for the philly guys it is from 2001 and alleges violence or intimidation by 3rd party heresay, but it does bolster the govts case of a criminal organization especially if they were able to determine the company that paid the vendors was actually linked to uncle joe and etc.

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #681061
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the thing with the 3rd party you say, the joker poker company was directly involved in the negotiations with ligambi and co, so they arent really a third party, the guy testifying met directly with the top guys of the family, thats devastating testimony, and best believe the feds have all the documents/checks/agreements to back it all up.

i still say bent finger lou hurt borgesi, not the other guys as much but he did hurt george.


Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife?
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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #681069
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i suppose im biased.lol.

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: Dapper_Don] #681127
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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: sitonmyface11
multiple agencies, surviellence teams, wiretaps sat on 24.7,tailing guys around the clock...say a dozen cops, making [at least] fifty grand a year plus another twenty in overtime.for what? eleven years?i am awful at math, but thats about eight,nine mil just man hours alone.to catch what? hell catching them on four murders isnt even worth that. plus equipment, court costs, das salaries, pay for jury duty,bailiff,wpp for scumbag informants. are mob cases really worth that much? take out the 'family', the 'lcn' aspect, and what is it?a loose patern of racketeering based on slot machines and unpaid debts.


you sound like a mobster pleading his case, fact is most of the surveillance is very high tech nowadays (recorders in rolex watches) which doesnt require as many manhours or agents as it did in the past.


Yeah that spyware is expensive if you buy it as a civilian for a hobby or a small business but if the government is paying for it, its a drop in the bucket.


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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: spmob
And if I am honest... i hope they get off for what they were charged for.


rooting for the hometown mob?


George is screwed and so is Joe at least Joe's family has some cake. Mousie will continue to operate shit from prison..he's use too jerking off to cum-stained playboys that have been passed up and down the block


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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: gamms] #681161
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Originally Posted By: sitonmyface11
multiple agencies, surviellence teams, wiretaps sat on 24.7,tailing guys around the clock...say a dozen cops, making [at least] fifty grand a year plus another twenty in overtime.for what? eleven years?i am awful at math, but thats about eight,nine mil just man hours alone.to catch what? hell catching them on four murders isnt even worth that. plus equipment, court costs, das salaries, pay for jury duty,bailiff,wpp for scumbag informants. are mob cases really worth that much? take out the 'family', the 'lcn' aspect, and what is it?a loose patern of racketeering based on slot machines and unpaid debts.





agreed, complete waste of time...i think this whole trial is a joke and i hope they beat all the charges, i am especially rooting for Georgie....guys been in the can for over a decade.


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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #681172
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Yesterday was the best day for the prosectution by far. I hate to route for the "home team" but if thats what it sounds like, I guess I am. But its just based on the charges that were brought against them. Besides yesterday, I haven't seen much of anything for the prosecution.

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This home team and stuff is it like root for these guys like their the Yankees snd Georgie is Mickey Mantle.SPOB you did a 360 what changed your mind.

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #681343
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I know I know. I am kind of in the middle here. I think they go away for something but until yesterday I thought the eveidence against these guys for the crimes charged really sucked. The informants sucked to. But we will see. I guess I would like to see a better case. Maybe the Feds can get them on some real shit next time around and we can have something bigger. lol. I dont know which way to go.

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #681347
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To spmob, other "supporters":

The way I see it, the power vacuum left by middle management and uncle Joe in the can is only going to bring worse criminal elements to South Philly and beyond. Why don't the Justice Department take a more rational approach here.

While an 'eager for headlines' prosecutor could stand to gain a little good press putting Uncle Joe away for 7+ (escentially a death sentence); he stands to lose alot more. If this thing blows up in Uncle Sam's face, further mafia prosecution may become harder in the future. Think about it, next time around a Judge may be more reluctant to sign off on a wire tap or a warrant.I can see it, "The last time I authorized this it took 10 years. And all you could come up was a RICO that's a glorified bookie case."

My advise to the USJD is, Don't play your hand til you got something good. At least better than this.

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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #681435
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To those who claimed in this thread that the Nicky Skins tapes were already played during the trial, you were right. I just confirmed they were played in the beginning, no hard feelings if I didnt believe you. Recently, it has become the norm with people claiming this and that which were later proven untrue on this forum.

"Licata's voice bounced all over the courtroom during the opening days of testimony back in late October. He was the principal speaker in a secretly recorded mob meeting at La Griglia, a North Jersey restaurant where members of the Philadelphia crime family met with leaders of the Gambino organization in May 2010 to talk about business.

The taped conversation, made by Nicholas "Nicky Skins" Stefanelli -- a cooperator who later committed suicide -- was described by Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor as a meeting of "the board of directors of organized crime."

Licata's attorney, in his opening, begged to differ.

"This was just a bunch of geriatric gangsters talking about the old days," said Christopher Warren. "

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2012/12/scoops-licata-is-forgotten-gangster-at.html

Given today's developments, as of this very moment this is my prediction for verdicts (obviously the trial is not over).

Guilty

Ligambi
Staino
Mousie
Georgie
Canalichio
Battaglini

Not Guilty
Licata

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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: Dapper_Don] #681438
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For the hundredth time, I don't follow Philly too closely. But just from reading the trial transcripts, I'd have to say that Ligambi looks fucked. We'll see. It shouldn't be too long now.


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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #681457
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so the max he's getting is like 14 years?

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #681458
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Sometimes a lot of this does seem weak but what I keep going back to is why did Angelina and Lucibello and a few others take plea deals.That tells me their lawyers didn't think they could beat it.If these guys are found innocent wouldn't you be mad if you were Angelina or Lucibello.I mean some of the charges may vary but its all basically the same charges unless I'm missing something.Lucibello already beat a case [1995 Stanfa Trial] without a lawyer.

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: Dapper_Don] #681459
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Dapper seriously did you just say Fazzini Not Guilty??? He plead guilty in October?? Please don't give your prediction for the Super Bowl...

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Originally Posted By: Southphilly13
Dapper seriously did you just say Fazzini Not Guilty??? He plead guilty in October?? Please don't give your prediction for the Super Bowl...


Oops your absolutely right, i completely forgot. i updated my prediction. I think the lack of sleep/too much work is getting to me.

and for the superbowl i predict a giants repeat (if not then redskins)

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look at the guy nicky santora in nyc his co de romanello walk out like a champ he's probaly made as shit in the mdc and now gets 2 more yrs tacked on to how much time he's doing now. i hope the guy scoops walks cause its bullshit he's locked up awaitng trial. whats he get if he walks, the guys old. look at the bosses in the 80tys they got bail on multi murders.even chin went to trial from the street 1997 12 murders. this guy scoops is locked up for getting a guy a no show job thats weak. if he walks does merlino make him new underboss or consig, tony caponigro. i was wrong to i thought some reporter would have wrote all the wire tape stuff with the gambino's.

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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #681682
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like to hear what is going to be said about this from the s philly posters

http://www.bigtrial.net/2012/12/on-trial-for-gambling-but-targeted-for.html

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Didnt look too good today for Damion with his voice being heard all over the recordings in court...


Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife?
Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.


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It didnt look too good for Uncle Joe today and it sounds like it will be just as bad next week for him...

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2012/12/uncle-joe-and-tony-soprano-are-garbage.html

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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
It didnt look too good for Uncle Joe today and it sounds like it will just as bad next week for him...

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2012/12/uncle-joe-and-tony-soprano-are-garbage.html

I agree

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Put a fork in him, he's done!

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Make your own prediction for the outcome of the trial on our poll on the left side of the site www.fivefamiliesnyc.com


Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife?
Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.


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Hey Dapper just wondering if you were in the same courtroom as me the day these tapes were played? Probably not! So because my brother was on a wiretap, it didn't look good for him? He coulda been talking about a Ham sandwich n u would say it didn't look good for him?? My brother didn't say anything wrong! There was no criminal activity going on. I'll say it again, this case is a joke, put together by a bunch of over Zealous FBI agents n Proscutors!!

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Correct me if I am wrong but didn't your brother say something along the lines of, "I wanna crack his head open" when referring to Ralphie. And you and I both know nothing good goes on at the Ward.

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Originally Posted By: spmob
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't your brother say something along the lines of, "I wanna crack his head open" when referring to Ralphie. And you and I both know nothing good goes on at the Ward.

Doesn't help that he was already doing something like five years when this indictment came down. And correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Damion already have something like four serious priors already?

I'm not judging your brother, SP13. I'm not even a Philly guy; I'm a Bronx guy. I'm just trying to look at this objectively because you're treating Dapper unfairly. Because the truth is, things don't look so good for your brother right now.

I understand what it's like to have family in that courtroom. Believe me when I tell you that. I know how frustrating it can be. But Dapper didn't say anything out of line.


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I know he has had at least two priors and I believe both have been drug convictions but let me know if that is incorrect. SP13 I like hearing your side of what is going on in court. But dont have your south philly shades on when looking at this case. I agree that some of these agents and prosecutors are over zealous but it doesn't take much these days to take guys down on Rico.

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You are correct that he said that but that don't mean anything. Nothing happened to Raphie. There was no crime. Remember folks there is no violence in this case, absolutely nothing. Words are just that.... words.

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