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Re: Henry Hill
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4) Why didn't the Mob ever put out a contract on Henry after he flipped? His whereabouts were pretty well known after he got kicked out of the Witness Protection Program so I'm surprised no up and comer tried to take him out after Goodfellas came out or that a guy like John Gotti didn't put a price on his head. He was too high profile at that point. It would have been suicidal to clip a rat as famous as Hill at that point. We've touched on this many times before, but there's really no upside to killing a rat after he testifies. The damage is already done and you run the risk of really pissing off the Feds. This isn't Sicily (or even Canada). If you can get to a guy before he testifies, that's one thing. To clip him afterwards has very little upside. And forget about that "sending a message" nonsense. Who wants to send a message if the price you pay is life in jail for your entire crew?
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Henry Hill
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1. Yes, He grew up around Paul Vario and learned from him. He worked with other people when he later grew up but he still stuck with Paul for family dinings, etc.. 2. Someone who was a made man, a captain, and later the consigliere of the Lucchese crime family.. well, I wouldn't say he had 10 people reporting to him. 3. Henry knew people who had money, he was around the big money makers and the big people who could give him a loan or something like that. Henry was a good money maker himself and whenever money wasn't in his pocket, He would go out and rob with his friends. 4. I agree with you. They should of hired a thug to do it and they did know where he was about but Henry co-operated valuable history to the feds and his reward was protection. Even if Henry was killed by a random, the feds would suspect LCN of doing it and would come down hard. They would go through their bills which they all probably didn't pay, and they knew their businesses. The feds can intimidate as good as The Mob. 6. Henry probably did kill someone for Jimmy or Paulie. It said at the ending that Jimmy never asked Hill to do a hit though Henry more than likely did.
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Re: Henry Hill
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2) Was Paul Vario himself as big a bigshot as he's described, wth hundreds of guys reporting to him? He didn't have hundreds of guys reporting to him, but he was as big as they come and he was well respected by the other Families. They'd use Vario as an arbitrator in disputes, and that is saying a lot!
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Re: Henry Hill
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Little bit off topic but Jimmy Burke died when he was 64 and would of got out 8 years later when he would of been 72. Do you think he would've had a role with the Luchesses? Or do you think he would be retired Well, he sure as fuck wouldn't have taken a job at Wal Mart . I'm just kidding, buddy. Jimmy was hardcore. Crime is all he knew. Luccheses, or independent of the Luccheses, he would have gone right back to doing what he did all his life.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Henry Hill
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12/05/12 07:33 PM
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pizza guy is it true that Joe Pesci caught his break as an actor working in a pizza parlor? A pal of the ol mans told me this and he done a bit of work in the industry, some big movies but small parts told me this story when we were doing a job together around 96-98. Just come back to me. Heard a scout was in the place and Joe Pesci was doing his thing and the guy just said "I've gotta hire him".
Not sure what point in his career this was but if I remember the story correctly it was early 80's. Before Raging Bull I think or before his big break whenever that was.
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Re: Henry Hill
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What side of town? You remember?
'So I say, “Live and let live.” That’s my motto. “Live and let live.” Anyone who can’t go along with that, take him outside and shoot the motherfucker. It’s a simple philosophy, but it’s always worked in our family.'
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Re: Henry Hill
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marios.thats 'p.p.'s place isnt it pizza? No, his place is across the street. It's called Rigoletto.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Henry Hill
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He was working as a singing waiter at Mario's on Arthur Avenue, Sean. And that is indeed a fact . That's exactly how he told me it went down just like that. Thanks pizzaguy.
'So I say, “Live and let live.” That’s my motto. “Live and let live.” Anyone who can’t go along with that, take him outside and shoot the motherfucker. It’s a simple philosophy, but it’s always worked in our family.'
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Re: Henry Hill
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gotcha.'p' took over from larry black?and east harlem was trigger mike before fat tony correct? this the same angelo that oversaw the newark crew? Yup. That's pretty good for a Brooklyn guy .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Henry Hill
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hey i got around in my day.lol. I know you did. I'm just having some fun .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Henry Hill
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this reminds me of how crazy it was for Roy Demeo & Vito Arena to hit Patrick Penny in May 1980 for accidentally witnessing/testifying against Nino Gaggi in the October 1979 Eppolito hit... Penny came back to BK when he should't have but the Brooklyn D.A.'s office was kind of reckless too I think. Also, for all books and other writing about 'the Mafia cops,' I'm unaware of anyone expanding on Patrick Penny and Louie Eppolito; "Mafia Cop" the book mentions Penny but doesn't even note he got fucking whacked. (Would love to see the OCHUr report on the Penny job someday.) 4) Why didn't the Mob ever put out a contract on Henry after he flipped? His whereabouts were pretty well known after he got kicked out of the Witness Protection Program so I'm surprised no up and comer tried to take him out after Goodfellas came out or that a guy like John Gotti didn't put a price on his head. He was too high profile at that point. It would have been suicidal to clip a rat as famous as Hill at that point. We've touched on this many times before, but there's really no upside to killing a rat after he testifies. The damage is already done and you run the risk of really pissing off the Feds. This isn't Sicily (or even Canada). If you can get to a guy before he testifies, that's one thing. To clip him afterwards has very little upside. And forget about that "sending a message" nonsense. Who wants to send a message if the price you pay is life in jail for your entire crew?
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