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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: gamms] #680410
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Originally Posted By: sitonmyface11
southphilly. whos your brother?


he says who is brother is in earlier posts

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #680413
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only took me twenty minutes to figure out how to do it.lol.but i got it now. doesnt matter though, bc outside of ligambi i dont know who any of those fuckin guys are.

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: Southphilly13] #680422
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Originally Posted By: Southphilly13
The machine company was bought LEGALLY! Wanna see the paperwork? If gambling is illegal then the whole world should be locked up. Come on r u serious with that one? Ripping off the union huh? Do u no that joe got that company the biggest account they have? Probably not. Like I said I don't have to prove I was there to u. N ur right loan sharing is a crime but don't forget there's a five year statue of limitations on that.


Doesnt matter about the whole world, what matters is whats the law period. Joe had a no show job at that union according to the owner. The company was bought for a substantially lower price than what it was actually worth because of pressure from the mob. There is no statute of limitations on loan sharking if it is tied to racketeering activity, why do u think you always read about NY guys going to jail for loan sharking from the 90s or 2000s?

Originally Posted By: sitonmyface11
southphilly. whos your brother?


According to him, Damion Canalichio.

Originally Posted By: Southphilly13
The guy who was in jail with George wasn't called cause he robbed 7 banks when he got out of jail. Not to mention he was caught in lies. Crooked toes testimony made no sense. He said he ran shit for George but only visited him 12 times in 8 years. Does that make sense?? N the fixer put everything right back on crooked toe. Fixer who was crooked toes boy said everything was his not George's. George has been in jail for 13 years in West Virginia. There was also another witness Mario Comorte who said crooked toe ran everything not George. GAs blog started after the skins tapes. Oh n by the way do u no that it's NOT a crime to be a made member. Trust me my brother is walking out the door in the next 2 weeks. They have presented absolutely no evidence on scoops. See what happened was GA reported that the skins tapes said things that really weren't said. GA reported many things that weren't true. Beating the Rico charge is the only thing we care about. The other charges are really nothing.


So your saying one of the most respected mob journalists out there blatantly lied? He's a journalist, lets be serious here. We all read those wiretap transcripts that were publicly released and know what was said. You cant cross-examine tapes.


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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #680426
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The most damaging testimony and evidence has been against Borgesi so far, if they all get off and Borgesi is found guilty and flips, which is a big if but what the feds want to happen. You can rest assured they will all be retried only this time add a few murders into the mix. Borgesi and Ligambi hate each other so maybe Georgie wants to get one over his old uncle? Kind of like Leonetti and Scarfo...


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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #680471
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I could defintely see that happening


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Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: carmela] #680474
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Merlino himself told me the Borgota is the best Hotel in AC and I should check it out : )

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: DeMeo] #680475
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LOL tongue Anastasia loves those guys... I told Merlino I liked Anastasia... his response was Anastasia is fair but definatley not considered a cool guy

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: BarrettM] #680476
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Joey won't be going back to Philly anytime soon to live or be acting boss, he is happy in Boca and laying low. If anything he'll write a book, get the movie deal and do some gambling. No matter what he says i'm sure he gets a share of the casino income from his cousin chubby joey and his mom

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: paprincess] #680515
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Originally Posted By: paprincess
Joey won't be going back to Philly anytime soon to live or be acting boss, he is happy in Boca and laying low. If anything he'll write a book, get the movie deal and do some gambling. No matter what he says i'm sure he gets a share of the casino income from his cousin chubby joey and his mom


whats he doing for cash now

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #680526
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probably the same thing junior gotti is doing. just being himself.

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #680543
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lets get this straight. I don't think ALL of these are just going to get up and walk out the court room when this thing is over. But the evidence in this case is not nearly as good as other cases I have followed. And as for informers, its a shit list of chracters. Nothing like in the past...at least for Philly. It could go either way for me.

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #680544
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And if I am honest... i hope they get off for what they were charged for.

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: spmob] #680553
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Originally Posted By: spmob
And if I am honest... i hope they get off for what they were charged for.

So many people hope they get off... With Ligambi having at least 4 murders on him (D'Alfonso, Turchi, Martorano, Casasanto) I mean, they were no angels, but doesn't 4 seem too high a number to let him walk?
Of course, you can say I have no proof it was him, but as far as I know many people from Philly who have their sympathies on Ligambi's side still have no doubts he was actually responsible for these 4.
I don't know, maybe this gambling case is really a joke like some people say, but in my opinion it's clear it's just an excuse to put them away for some serious crimes they weren't able to prove.

I am not trying to provoke people who sympathize with Ligambi and his men, I am just expressing an opinion.

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1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #680568
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He wasn't charged with Murder

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #680569
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And he may not have sanctioned the turchi hit. The gongs brothers may have acted alone on that one to Kiss Uncle Joes old white ass. But either way my point is about the charges, not what they may or may not have done

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Originally Posted By: spmob
He wasn't charged with Murder

I know, I mean they are prosecuting him for gambling because they haven't got evidence for a murder case.


Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Originally Posted By: spmob
And he may not have sanctioned the turchi hit. The gongs brothers may have acted alone on that one to Kiss Uncle Joes old white ass.

But wouldn't it have been stupid on their part to kill a high-ranking member without asking the boss for permission?


Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #680578
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Yea and guess what....the older brother is dead. Hence the older Gongs murder you mentioned. But I am not sure either way.

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #680579
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And Turchi wasn't loved by Joe at this point. so he wasn't a high ranking as he had previously been. He may have had him killed but who knows. Theres a few theories out there.

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: Dapper_Don] #680581
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I'm curious about Bent Fingers testimony against Borgesi. From what I read he is referring to things that happened with Borgesi before he went away over 10 years ago but as far as him running things for him after that, Borgesi is in jail and his phone calls are recorded but was there any tapes of him speaking with Bent Finger?


Lou visited him in jail and was Borgesi's point person out on the streets, there was also a flipped Bonanno associate (bank robber) in jail with Borgesi who told the feds what Georgie told him


Yes I know that but my question was were there any tapes of George Borgesi talking to Damion during those prison visits? I doubt that, his testimony is all hearsay. I'm pretty sure officials monitored all his visits from all family and friends. Why also would Borgesi risk doing this through an low level guy instead of when he got visits from made members like Uncle Joe, Phil Ligambi, his brother Anthony and any of the other made men who had to visit him during his time in prison?

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: Southphilly4ever] #680602
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Originally Posted By: spmob
And Turchi wasn't loved by Joe at this point. so he wasn't a high ranking as he had previously been. He may have had him killed but who knows. Theres a few theories out there.


Dont think Caprio mentioned this in his recent testimony, lucky for Ligambi.

Ligambi was implicated in the 1999 murder of Ronald Turchi by former Philadelphia hitman Peter "Pete the Crumb" Caprio. In court Caprio has testified that Ligambi told him Turchi was murdered due to his relationship with former boss Ralph Natale. "We dimed Ronnie out to teach Ralph a lesson," Caprio claims Ligambi told him.

Licata jokes with Ligambi about the 2003 gangland murder of John “Johnny Gongs” Casasanto in South Philadelphia, which remains unsolved. Licata laughs and tells Ligambi, “At least we finally got to get him!”

Originally Posted By: Southphilly4ever
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Originally Posted By: Southphilly4ever
I'm curious about Bent Fingers testimony against Borgesi. From what I read he is referring to things that happened with Borgesi before he went away over 10 years ago but as far as him running things for him after that, Borgesi is in jail and his phone calls are recorded but was there any tapes of him speaking with Bent Finger?


Lou visited him in jail and was Borgesi's point person out on the streets, there was also a flipped Bonanno associate (bank robber) in jail with Borgesi who told the feds what Georgie told him


Yes I know that but my question was were there any tapes of George Borgesi talking to Damion during those prison visits? I doubt that, his testimony is all hearsay. I'm pretty sure officials monitored all his visits from all family and friends. Why also would Borgesi risk doing this through an low level guy instead of when he got visits from made members like Uncle Joe, Phil Ligambi, his brother Anthony and any of the other made men who had to visit him during his time in prison?


No tapes of Borgesi and Damion.

You answered your own question. A visit from an associate wouldn't be under as much scrutiny and surveillance as a visit from a made member especially a guy like Ligambi.

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So I hear EJ's cross-examine of Crumbs seemed pretty solid.

I think Agent Harris, of Sopranos fame, might be saying…

"we're gona win this thing!!!"


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Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
So I hear EJ's cross-examine of Crumbs seemed pretty solid.

I think Agent Harris, of Sopranos fame, might be saying…

"we're gona win this thing!!!"



how many charges does each defendant face and what is the most serious?

Re: are the philly guys gona beat these charges? [Re: southphilly old head] #680645
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Listening to the rat who testified about general day to day dealings of the current Philly Mob seems like real tin-pot stuff, no one making much other than Joe and a few others, I really believe they will be done in the next 20 years.

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Originally Posted By: NickyScarfo
Listening to the rat who testified about general day to day dealings of the current Philly Mob seems like real tin-pot stuff, no one making much other than Joe and a few others, I really believe they will be done in the next 20 years.


Nicky I know your interested in the Philly Mob. The guy that tried shaking down Williard Rouse which brought down Scarfo..Leland Beloff his son died today or killed himself I'm sure you find some articles on it ..salute


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Thanks man, sure dapper will have it up on his blog soon enough

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Originally Posted By: spmob
And if I am honest... i hope they get off for what they were charged for.





agreed spmob


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From reading between the lines, I think they have lost the jury. Who wants to be there daily for 12 weeks on bookmaking and video poker machines charges. This should have been tried in weeks, not months.

Many reports claim some juriors are not interested, drawing in their notebooks and close to knodding off throughtout the day. Plus, most of the snitches have serious issues and have named called each other.

I can see them all walking as the jury makes a statement to not waste are time and put our lives on hold for this.

It's different if they have murder plots on tape, making ceremonies and stuff stories are made of, but all they have is some guys that can pay a few hundred dollars in debts and given the time to raise the money.


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multiple agencies, surviellence teams, wiretaps sat on 24.7,tailing guys around the clock...say a dozen cops, making [at least] fifty grand a year plus another twenty in overtime.for what? eleven years?i am awful at math, but thats about eight,nine mil just man hours alone.to catch what? hell catching them on four murders isnt even worth that. plus equipment, court costs, das salaries, pay for jury duty,bailiff,wpp for scumbag informants. are mob cases really worth that much? take out the 'family', the 'lcn' aspect, and what is it?a loose patern of racketeering based on slot machines and unpaid debts.

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Originally Posted By: sitonmyface11
multiple agencies, surviellence teams, wiretaps sat on 24.7,tailing guys around the clock...say a dozen cops, making [at least] fifty grand a year plus another twenty in overtime.for what? eleven years?i am awful at math, but thats about eight,nine mil just man hours alone.to catch what? hell catching them on four murders isnt even worth that. plus equipment, court costs, das salaries, pay for jury duty,bailiff,wpp for scumbag informants. are mob cases really worth that much? take out the 'family', the 'lcn' aspect, and what is it?a loose patern of racketeering based on slot machines and unpaid debts.


you sound like a mobster pleading his case, fact is most of the surveillance is very high tech nowadays (recorders in rolex watches) which doesnt require as many manhours or agents as it did in the past.


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