I know nicodemo is the alleged shooter in the Johnny gongs hit. Anymore info on who else was involved?

Remember the bookie that got blasted on bouvieer street near the Wolf Street Cafe. Maniscalco are the cops even going to pursue that? I mean he had angelo lutz working there as a bookkeeper, at one time and he was one of the Riccobenes Grandsons. The fact they the guy was wearing a bullet proof vest around is pretty crazy.

I think I read in that article a while back the George borgesi had sent someone to shake him down. That's why people think its mob related.

Canalichio since he was made shortly thereafter according to GA

hey jmack that is all hear say at this point on who the shooters are. Nicademo isnt even in the ligambi case. Pure speculation. i can tell you this much, gongs had a lot of enemies

I couldn't agree more. If the FBI had the proof we would have a lot more counts in this indictment. Just wondering what the actual speculation was. As far as Nicodemo is concerned, is this the only murder he is speculated to be a part of? I've heard he has a pretty tough rep and was wondering where it came from.

I think ga said something like this in a mob scene report but if it was true or if the feds highly considered this to be accurate they would have reacted

he was hated by many but it was clear the family took him out

thats why in the most recent indictment you have scoops telling ligambi that they are glad they finally got rid of him while both are laughing about it

Yes in the tapes it is made very clear that the family took him out. I also think there is more to the tapes than we have heard. I think they are going to try to use them to get someone to flip. If no one takes the bait, they will wait until after the convictions to get someone to turn. The family should probably take a page from the Genoveses and cut their losses with a deal.

Well so far we only read transcripts of what the feds say they hear on the tapes but i dont think anybody has heard the tapes other than them. And yes they ALWAYS embelish the tapes.Sometimes when the feds release these excerpts all they are looking to do is stir up some chatter among the wiseguys and see if they can pick something up from the chatter on a wire tap or from a confidential informant

im just saying with all the most recent federal cases back firing on them they may truly really have not much that a jury will convict on. Look at John Edwards and Roger Clemmens and the most recent mob murder trials in New York

i mean i didnt hear the evidence in the thomas giosi trial in new york a couple of weeks ago but if they had numerous tapes and 6 or 7 informants take the stand i would lean on the side of guilty if i was on the jury but if im on the jury and i see a bunch of guys on trial for loan sharking and mostly gambling charges where nobody got hurt i dont think i could convict them.Thats if i was on the jury. Put your self on the jury and think about how you would feel?

Yeah being on a jury people can sympathize with a defendant like "I have a son his age, father, or husband." These are just threats, this happen how long ago, why weren't they arrested then? In today's paper there was an article going over the court system in Philadelphia and how unorganized it is. But that was on the state level.

Someone said Milano was coming back to testify ? How does this affect his brother ?

It doesn't because no one is going to do anything

nobody is gona do a thing. those days are well over

Even if they seen milano himself nobody would do anything, i remember Milano when i was younger and he was one tuff guy

What was scarfo thinking bringing in all these young guys. I mean he had to know, that the shit was going to hit the fan at one point or another. If I'm 70 years old and they give me life so what I'll be dead in a few years,

He was a maniac that had that small man desease. Made money but a real nut

i followed the gioli trial closely, they didnt have any tapes or surveillance evidence besides some family pics of gioli with calabro and others throughout the years. Tommy and Little Dino did beat the murder charges BUT they were still convicted of RICO murder conspiracy and will prob get at least 15 years at sentencing.


you are right there is no violence alleged besides canolichio beating a debtor with a baseball bat and scoops and ligambi joking about the gongs murder, idk about you but that would def be enough to cast suspicion of guilt in my mind as a juror.

and those wiretap transcipt the feds released were as george anastasia put it a "teaser" of things to come down the line so lets wait and see.

if i had to predict what happens it would be as follows: with the feds releasing some of those wiretap convos and indicting scoops and fazzini now they are letting all of them stew at the philly mdc without any bail while they wonder if any of their codefendants will flip. the feds play the waiting game and as the trial date gets closer and if there are no plea deals then the feds leak (through newspapers or anastasia) some more wiretap convos and possibly release another superseeding indictment and then they play the waiting game again.

the feds told anastasia that merlino will "very likely" be brought back up to philly by the end of the summer to face charges of associating with felons down in florida and violate his parole and send him back to the can.

Thanks for clearing that giosi trial up for me but i read the indictment and canalichio is bragging about this so called bat beating and we really dont know if it happened and they dont have a person that was beaten with a bat that is gona take the stand

true they dont have anybody as of yet that we know, but regardless violence or no violence there is tons of rackeetering activity sprinkled all over these indictments and with their criminal histories and previous convictions they are going to all get sentences of at least 5 years (on the low end) if i had to predict. nobody is beating this case.

Also George Anastashia wants to give everyone a little tid bit at a time to keep his fan base up. I mean hes gotta eat too!

^^very true

One Oldhead I use to bet with, told me use to spit on the dead bodies and shit lol

I can picture him hawking up a loogie and spitting on a dead corpse

Did they ever charge John Gambino with anything up in NYC, I mean hes a triumvir, I would think hes pretty tight-lipped. They should transfer stanfa over to where licatas being held so he can cut his tongue off ..put a stamp on it..and mail it LOL

The way Anastasia talks about the Philly mob, that tone of voice like hes enjoying himself too much makes him look like someone who wishes he was with them.

He probably even tried to ingratiate himself years ago and wasn't accepted! Well, he has been beaten by Ralph Natale and you all know about that fool.

What kind of time is Uncle Joe, underlings, etc looking at with a Genovese esque plea deal?

I highly doubt Ralph Natale put a hand on him. That would be pretty funny to see him fight someone though. A family member of mine worked at the newspaper with him, and they wouldn't even tell some of the employees, where he was at certain times. A lot has changed though, him having fear in the past I could see, but not in the present.

from what i hear most guys are facing 5 years or less except for Canalichio and Massimimo because of pryors