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Re: Election 2012
[Re: afsaneh77]
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11/04/12 08:19 PM
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Now while I don't think the wealthy should be given more tax cuts, they shouldn't be taxed more either, that's stupid as hell. The people who go out and spend on the economy forced to give up more than they already pay? I want to see loopholes closed, but the tax rate should not increase.
Romney appeals to me as someone who knows the how run an economy, the President's plan to me doesn't add up. He didn't even have a plan until he scraped up a little blue pamplet at the last minute. That doesn't impress me as an independent voter. A worker on a payroll that makes average of $45000 per year pays 35% tax on their payroll. Why should a shareholder then pay 14% or less on their shares of a company, while they've not actually gone to work? Is that fair? They are not saying rich should pay more than middle class. They say how about they pay just as much? What's wrong with 30% that the middle class pays? Simple math defies any Goper's plan. Anybody who says otherwise is either a filthy rich person who doesn't want to pay their fair share or is ignorant and misinformed. You just assume what you think is right and that's wrong. Spoken like a true liberal, ignoring the other side of an argument and holding yourself up like you're the savior of the world. My father is a successful real estate business man. He worked from the ground fucking up to establish his company and get to where he is today. He's part of the 1% of rich America and the 5% Obama wants to tax more. You're saying he's a filthy rich dog who doesn't work and is ignorant? The wealthy (most of them) work hard to get to where they are today. Anyone else could do the same thing. Fact is the rich should not have to pay more than they already do. Close the loopholes but do not raise the rate. They shouldn't have to foot the bill for another weak Obama plan. You may not agree with me. I don't agree with you. But I respect you're opinion. Respect mine please. I do not call you ignorant, don't refer me as such either.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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11/04/12 09:47 PM
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123JoeSchmo
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123, I think you need a drink or a Valium or something. What the heck?? You really need to just relax, especially for someone who refers to themselves as "independent", you seem to get your back up against anyone who speaks in favor of the President's agenda.
I apologize if I seemed a little heated. People don't have to agree with me at all that's fine, but he used the quote "filthy rich, doesn't want to pay their fair share, and ignorant". That's insulting and not just to me but many other people in this country as well. He gave off the impression that what he thought he was "right" and anyone else who didn't was an idiot. That's why I got fiery. However I acknowledge that we all have our opinions on politics. But the reason I back Romney is mainly because I get the impression almost everyone on here accepts the President's agenda without question and that the GOP are idiots. That's not the case. That's why I'm an independent. I lived in South Carolina for two years, you would not believe how conservative they are it's nauseating and I despised it. But I see the other side of that spectrum here.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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11/04/12 10:07 PM
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I don't think that the GOP are idiots. I think they have some idiots (Sarah Palin), but every group has that weird cousin, no? While the Governor isn't stupid by any means, he can seem that way because he is out of touch with the average man. When he doesn't know what a doughnut is called, that's tells me something. Like I said, not stupid, but might be clueless. Big difference. I don't accept anything without question (which is why I want to know more about those loopholes), but I do feel that Governor Romney was born of privilege and doesn't have any clue what "normal" people go through on a day to day basis. I think he wants to make sure to keep the class structure exactly the way it is. I think the President, on the other hand, knows both sides. He's been poor and now he's very rich. He understands middle class struggle, and I think he's a better choice. I also agree with his ideology vs. Mr. Romney's. That's why I've made my choice. A different GOP candidate and maybe my vote would be different, but I cannot vote for Governor Romney.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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11/05/12 12:39 AM
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But I thought cutting PBS would solve our deficit?
I have nothing against PBS. Just don't think the taxpayer should be spending money on it. Sesame Street is worth hundreds of millions of dollars thanks to PBS exposure. Let them and donors keep it alive somehow. Not taxpayers.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: 123JoeSchmo]
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11/05/12 01:36 AM
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You just assume what you think is right and that's wrong. Spoken like a true liberal, ignoring the other side of an argument and holding yourself up like you're the savior of the world.
My father is a successful real estate business man. He worked from the ground fucking up to establish his company and get to where he is today. He's part of the 1% of rich America and the 5% Obama wants to tax more. You're saying he's a filthy rich dog who doesn't work and is ignorant? The wealthy (most of them) work hard to get to where they are today. Anyone else could do the same thing. Fact is the rich should not have to pay more than they already do. Close the loopholes but do not raise the rate. They shouldn't have to foot the bill for another weak Obama plan.
You may not agree with me. I don't agree with you. But I respect you're opinion. Respect mine please. I do not call you ignorant, don't refer me as such either. For the record I never called the like of your father a dog. That's your doing. I said filthy rich, which simply means very rich. The fact stands. They pay 14% tax on their income and middle class pays over 20 to even 30% depending on their size of family and dependents. You say they shouldn't be taxed more, I ask why not pay as much as middle class pays? Isn't that just fair? Closing the loopholes means cutting those deductions that middle class gets yet again. And I said you are EITHER filthy rich, OR misinformed and ignorant which again means misinformed. You are obviously the former. So stop playing us by saying you are independent, you're obviously a republican and favor their agenda. As for respect for opinions, I really can't respect such opinions that favor unfairness and exploiting the middle class. I respect that you are entitled to your opinion, but that's as far as I go. If I respected every opinion, I'd have to stop criticizing every crazy religious, economical, or political opinion that's out there.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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11/05/12 01:39 AM
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Yesterday, the NY Daily News in their Sunday edition came out with an editorial officially endorsing Romney.
Very surprising, and somewhat disappointing considering the Daily News used to pride itself on being a voice of/for the "average person."
Still, coming only a couple of days before the election, I would imagine most people have already made up their minds who they're voting for. I really wonder if this endorsement will sway many (or any) voters at this late date.
Still, IMO, their editorial stance was surprising.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: afsaneh77]
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11/05/12 01:55 AM
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123JoeSchmo
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You just assume what you think is right and that's wrong. Spoken like a true liberal, ignoring the other side of an argument and holding yourself up like you're the savior of the world.
My father is a successful real estate business man. He worked from the ground fucking up to establish his company and get to where he is today. He's part of the 1% of rich America and the 5% Obama wants to tax more. You're saying he's a filthy rich dog who doesn't work and is ignorant? The wealthy (most of them) work hard to get to where they are today. Anyone else could do the same thing. Fact is the rich should not have to pay more than they already do. Close the loopholes but do not raise the rate. They shouldn't have to foot the bill for another weak Obama plan.
You may not agree with me. I don't agree with you. But I respect you're opinion. Respect mine please. I do not call you ignorant, don't refer me as such either. For the record I never called the like of your father a dog. That's your doing. I said filthy rich, which simply means very rich. The fact stands. They pay 14% tax on their income and middle class pays over 20 to even 30% depending on their size of family and dependents. You say they shouldn't be taxed more, I ask why not pay as much as middle class pays? Isn't that just fair? Closing the loopholes means cutting those deductions that middle class gets yet again. And I said you are EITHER filthy rich, OR misinformed and ignorant which again means misinformed. You are obviously the former. So stop playing us by saying you are independent, you're obviously a republican and favor their agenda. As for respect for opinions, I really can't respect such opinions that favor unfairness and exploiting the middle class. I respect that you are entitled to your opinion, but that's as far as I go. If I respected every opinion, I'd have to stop criticizing every crazy religious, economical, or political opinion that's out there. First off I don't call my dad anything of the sort. Secondly don't tell me what I am because I am not a republican, I do not support all of their agenda. There are some things about their agenda that I do support and some things about the democratic agenda I support. So don't be an idiot and tell me what I am politically. I repeat again do not try to call me ignorant or misinformed when it's you who cannot speak objectively or see the other side of an argument. I agree with some of the things president Obama has done. But I feel he's taking us in the wrong direction economically. It's not ignorance it's a goddamn opinion. You have every right to criticize something that's arrogant, hateful, nonsensesical, or crude. But I am none of these things. Now to clear up what I said earlier, I am in favor to close loopholes so the rich cant make deductions and pay less. But taxing the rich more does nothing. It does nothing to help our economy or to cut our deficit. In the end everyone is going to be paying more for obamacare. This is not about a class war which is what you're making it. It's about finding common ground to solve our nations problems. That's what we all should be focusing on. Not squabbling.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: 123JoeSchmo]
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11/05/12 02:07 AM
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First off I don't call my dad anything of the sort. Secondly don't tell me what I am because I am not a republican, I do not support all of their agenda. There are some things about their agenda that I do support and some things about the democratic agenda I support. So don't be an idiot and tell me what I am politically.
I repeat again do not try to call me ignorant or misinformed when it's you who cannot speak objectively or see the other side of an argument. I agree with some of the things president Obama has done. But I feel he's taking us in the wrong direction economically. It's not ignorance it's a goddamn opinion. You have every right to criticize something that's arrogant, hateful, nonsensesical, or crude. But I am none of these things.
Now to clear up what I said earlier, I am in favor to close loopholes so the rich cant make deductions and pay less. But taxing the rich more does nothing. It does nothing to help our economy or to cut our deficit. In the end everyone is going to be paying more for obamacare.
This is not about a class war which is what you're making it. It's about finding common ground to solve our nations problems. That's what we all should be focusing on. Not squabbling. You don't even read my post. I said either this or that, and obviously you are the former, meaning you are rich and not ignorant, (well, your dad is rich, so you are and will be) and understandably you do not want to pay more taxes. This doesn't mean you are right or what you like is fair. This IS a class warfare. Why should middle class pay a higher percentage than the rich and bear the weight of the country on their shoulders? I don't think taxing middle class this much is helping the economy either. I think I'd settle for everyone paying the same percentage.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Just Lou]
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11/05/12 02:11 AM
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I have nothing against PBS. Just don't think the taxpayer should be spending money on it. Sesame Street is worth hundreds of millions of dollars thanks to PBS exposure. Let them and donors keep it alive somehow. Not taxpayers.
The funding for PBS and NPR is 1/100th of 1% of the federal budget, and costs the average taxpayer about $1.45 a year. Good. We should use that money to fix a bridge. Feed homeless New Yorkers affected by Sandy. Funding for the VA. We don't need to spend any money on PBS.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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11/05/12 05:58 AM
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Hell, I'm still reeling over Tricky Dick Nixon's landslide victory back in 1972! Since I was (barely) not old enough to vote when that debacle occurred, I've always wondered if my vote would have actually made a difference! Signor V.
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"Sure I cook with wine - sometimes I even add it to the food!"
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"It was a grass harp... And we listened."
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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11/05/12 11:13 AM
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Ah the destructive simplicity of ideology, and those who relish in it within a chaotic, amibigious world.
Which regulations to be precise are so evil? Most regulations more likely than not were imposed in the first place for good rational reasons, not because somebody wanted to murder commerce. I know for some people they mindlessly yell "bad regulations!" until something bad happens, then they demand action, which case they get...more regulations. Somebody dump chemicals in the river and reaches the drinking water supply and people get sick? Duh.
I won't say all regulations are necessary, or necessary anymore unlike the past when they were originally imposed. But which ones exactly you two? Don't give me another blanket statement, we've gotten enough of them this election season.
Then again we live in a time when just because you're make a ton of money, you're now considered a job-creating tycoon like Jobs or Carnegie. With that wonderful bulletproof logic, how about we promote the Mob to office? They're good at making money and "employing" people. How about hookers? Don't diss the jobs they help create with pimps and drug dealers. THEY CREATE JOBS!!!! Willard was a parasite. But he made money!!!!!!!
People like Bill Gates and Carnegie and even Vince McMahon and his pro wrestling corporate empire (his wife is running for Senate this year), they did things that I personally don't approve of. But you can't argue against the fact that they all changed the world around them, or at the least the industries they dominated and kicked in the balls. That impact, with the rest of business/industry responding to what you do, impresses me much more than all the bajillion bucks made from goddman equity.
Then again, standards have been slipping. There was a time when GOP Senate candidates don't call women who get abortions more evil criminals than rapists. Times change.
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