There are many on the other side who would say the same thing about any Democratic candidate. Try to be a little more objective. You can disagree with Romney and his policies, but keep in mind politics is mostly opinion. There are many reasons why people consider Romney rather than Obama and vice versa.

Agreed, and for the record Rasmussen has the race tied at 49% as of today.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows the race tied with President Obama and Mitt Romney each attracting support from 49% of voters nationwide. One percent (1%) prefers some other candidate, and another one percent (1%) remains undecided. These figures include both those who have already voted and those likely to vote. Obama leads among those who have already voted, while Romney leads among those deemed likely to vote. Thirty-nine percent (39%) of voters are projected to be Democrats and 37% Republicans.

The Rasmussen Reports Electoral College projections now show the president with 237 Electoral Votes and Romney 206. The magic number needed to win the White House is 270. Eight states with 95 Electoral College votes remain Toss-ups: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio,Virginia and Wisconsin.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...l_tracking_poll

Saying something doesn't make it so. The facts are facts. They don't change when you change parties. You can't give tax breaks and reduce national debt. That's a fact, regardless of your party if you are truly objective.

You also can't spend a trillion dollars a year and reduce a national debt. That's a fact as well.

I know Hillary has said she isn't interested in running BUT I can see her in the mix. Bill would love the spotlight AND be a big plus for her IMHO. I've heard possibility of Kerry taking over Hillary's job which seems ok I guess. Has any Sec. of State done a two terms? Seriously, it seems so stressful. Hillary is doing a great job but looks totally drained. I would guess 4 years is plenty.

I've heard Biden's name come up tho for some reason, I don't know that he'll do it. I don't know a lot about Andrew Coumo (Mario's son I assume?) but he seems like a possible candidate no?

NOW, since Sandy, I can see Christie entering the fray in a better position, tho I don't know how people will take to his sarcastic manner. If it's between Christie & Ryan tho, I would think Christie would take it.


TIS

I was going to put Biden on the list but didnt cause a decent portion of the populace considers him a joke (I dont for the record).

Andrew is the son of Mario Cuomo and current popular Governor of NY.

I have also heard about Kerry taking over Sec of State which I think would be a good choice since he has tons of experience in foreign affairs from his Senate work.

Not necessarily. For instance if you tax people 2 trillion dollars, you can spend one per year and one to reduce the debt.

The difference is, what you say is have no income and yet somehow magically spend it on military adventures.

Oh, she has. I'm really please with the way she has structured the team regarding Iran. The speaker is absolutely fantastic. Speaks great Persian and is following our news very closely. I'm sure they're the one advising on the crippling sanctions too. Great job all around.

Now while I don't think the wealthy should be given more tax cuts, they shouldn't be taxed more either, that's stupid as hell. The people who go out and spend on the economy forced to give up more than they already pay? I want to see loopholes closed, but the tax rate should not increase.

Romney appeals to me as someone who knows the how run an economy, the President's plan to me doesn't add up. He didn't even have a plan until he scraped up a little blue pamplet at the last minute. That doesn't impress me as an independent voter.

A worker on a payroll that makes average of $45000 per year pays 35% tax on their payroll. Why should a shareholder then pay 14% or less on their shares of a company, while they've not actually gone to work? Is that fair? They are not saying rich should pay more than middle class. They say how about they pay just as much? What's wrong with 30% that the middle class pays?

Simple math defies any Goper's plan. Anybody who says otherwise is either a filthy rich person who doesn't want to pay their fair share or is ignorant and misinformed.

I'm in the minority, but I really think Hillary may ride off into the sunset.

Well, I wouldn't go that far, but I'd put good money on her entering the ring for 2016. That's what she has always wanted. Getting it is a whole different matter. I'd like her to be the fist woman president. But there's lots of hate toward her that's unfortunate. Some of it is because she is not exactly a politician and says the wrong things, and some of it because women hate her for not leaving Bill.

Yeah, I don't think she's electable for the reasons you've stated, Afs. That's why I hope that she doesn't run again. It took so much out of her last time. After all of her hard work, you'd hate to see her go out with another loss.

Right now I'd have to say that Andrew Cuomo will be the frontrunner for Democratic nominee in 2016. But four years is an ETERNITY in politics.

Silly for me to even speculate .

I don't know, a Clinton riding out into the sunset? If she doesn't do it in 2016 I don't think she will. I'll say one thing tho, President Obama is lucky to have Bill on his team. The guy can really work a crowd. The Republicans on the other hand. What can they do, call W (I'm refraining from calling him my pet name)? Btw, hardly a peep out him hu?




TIS

Some say Obama isn't a politician, but I disagree. He did the unthinkable, I mean those of us who followed the primary did see how Hillary and Obama teared each other apart, but then he appointed her as his secretary of state. He practically brought the democratic party together. And she did an amazing job as secretary of state. Those who wanted a more supportive approach toward the movements in the middle east don't know about the politics of the region. The US's foreign policy there was just as it should have been.

Yea, toward the end of the 08 campaign she kind of pissed me off because I thought she was getting kind of nasty and Bill too (imagine that,nasty in a political campaign) . The fact that President Obama picked her for his Sec./State and seeing the great job she is doing, along with Bill making the rounds promoting President Obama says a lot IMHO.

Off hand, if she doesn't run, I can't think of a female (right or left) that could be a contender can you?



TIS

How about Michele Obama?

I love Michelle, but seriously doubt she'd be interested. She IS a great First Lady though IMHO



TIS

Well, assuming Obama wins this round, the 16 probably goes to a republican. I don't think dems have it in them to win three terms in a row anyway.

To paraphrase the Godfather, that was a matter of "keeping your friends close but your enemies closer."

If she didn't end up on BO's team, she would have knocked him as a talking head for four years. And he'd be looking at an uphill battle this week. She wouldn't have run against him. She'd never tear the party apart a la Teddy Kennedy in 1980. But she would have made his re-election an uphill climb this year.

I still don't believe there's any love lost there. But they're both smart enough to realize that other old proverb: The enemy of my enemy is my friend .

No party does, Afs.

If Romney loses, I think they'll put Ryan up. He's young, handsome and conservative. I don't think that Christie, who is a bit too NY (even though he's not a New Yorker in the literal sense) and far too moderate, would ever get the nod.

I don't think Hillary will run. Although she and her husband will always be the power couple in party, I think she's done. As for Cuomo, lots of people thought his dad would get the nomination back in the day, and then his career crashed and burned. Who knows?

Yeah, but he didn't have to make her secretary of state. You can say it's the most prestigious office under the president. She got to actually plan foreign policy which she seemed to enjoy more than other aspects of presidency. Anyway, this is the sort of experience that if she is wise enough she can walk away with and be content.

Christie is no more electable than Rudy was. He's a blowhard from the Northeast. I doubt he'll even get nominated.

And I've said this before, even though it's far from politically correct: Christie is too fat for anyone to take seriously on a national scale. I'm not saying it's right, but people who can't control their weight look gluttonous and weak in the eyes of many.

That's what I'm hoping for .

No pun intended?

Call it a Freudian slip .

Ha ha ha!!!! Nice catch SB!





TIS

Cordell Hull was Secretary of State for almost 12 years under FDR. (Only resigned a few months before his boss died.)



What if it's Cuomo v. Christie in '16?

I just wonder if Willard loses, how will the GOP react? Sure they'll blame Sandy and the media* and Christie and Ryan and Not Raising Enough money and so forth in the immediate aftermath. But look at the Senate, where polls suggest the Dems will retain it. (Even in '10's landslide midterms for the GOP, they still found a way to lose the Senate.)

How will the party look at themselves? Will the base continue to marshall their (unelectable) Senate candidates down the party's throats? Will the base blame Willard for not being legitimately conservative enough to pass the voter smell test? Will more reasonable people blame the base for going too nuts and losing themselves an election that could've been theirs?

The immediate reaction might even get worse if Willard loses and all these guys on Fox News telling them repeatedly that the polls are biased, we're gonna win and we're gonna win in a landslide! Then wake up wednesday to find...neither happened?

*=Despite large segments (OK most) of the media against them, Eisenhower '56, Nixon '72, Reagan '80/'84, and Bush Sr. '88 all kicked electoral ass back when there was no Fox News. Blaming a biased media is a lameass excuse.

(Minority) Voter Suppression in Florida?

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/1...gop-stronghold/

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/11/04/3081614/florida-democratic-party-files.html