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Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #673457
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Skinny Vinny is right in the sense that no matter how successful Obama was in this clean up it doesnt affect the outcome because the hurricane hit states that are blue and were a lock for Obama anyway. People from Ohio, Florida, and Virginia don't give a damn about a storm that has nothing to do with them. Which is why I still say this doesn't charge anything so late in the game.


People from NY/NJ/CT have a high sense of self. They think their situation will impact all of America. Truth is, other parts of America have suffered hurricanes(FLORIDA!), blizzards, blackouts, earthquakes, etc......and no one ever talked it influencing the outcome of an election.

Besides, the situation is said to be deteriorating. Looting. Dwindling gas supplies. Dumpster diving according to NBC 4.

In fact, the worse the situation gets, the less the mainstream media will cover the story if they think it no longer favors their candidate, Barack Obama.

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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Skinny Vinny is right in the sense that no matter how successful Obama was in this clean up it doesnt affect the outcome because the hurricane hit states that are blue and were a lock for Obama anyway. People from Ohio, Florida, and Virginia don't give a damn about a storm that has nothing to do with them. Which is why I still say this doesn't charge anything so late in the game.


People from NY/NJ/CT have a high sense of self. They think their situation will impact all of America. Truth is, other parts of America have suffered hurricanes(FLORIDA!), blizzards, blackouts, earthquakes, etc......and no one ever talked it influencing the outcome of an election.

Besides, the situation is said to be deteriorating. Looting. Dwindling gas supplies. Dumpster diving according to NBC 4.

In fact, the worse the situation gets, the less the mainstream media will cover the story if they think it no longer favors their candidate, Barack Obama.


NYC is the financial capital of the world, major events that happen here DO impact the rest of America for obvious reasons.

Let's be clear, the situation is bad. Looting is happening (very little, media looks for stories to report) the NYPD is out in full force in the hardest hit areas. Gas supplies will recover as the Port will be reopened for shipment on a limited basis, and the dumpster diving was done by hipsters for very expensive food.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/dumpster-divers-grab-40-000-worth-food-article-1.1195338


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673460
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On the eve of the Bloomberg endorsement, the conservative-leaning The Economist endorses Obama for re-election

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21...-bill-which-one


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673463
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http://www.nbcnewyork.com/video/#!/on-air/as-seen-on/Sandy-Starved-New-Yorkers-Dumpster-Dive/176839571

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Dapper_Don] #673465
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Heard that too... and FWIW, the CEO of Starbucks is as well. Don't know exactly why that is news expect perhaps that CEO's normally would go for the Republican candidate. Yet he said has always been a Democrat. confused


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/11/01/obama-schultz-starbucks-endorsement/1675237/



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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673466
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My office is just above the lower east side (im in union square). I am very familiar with these neighborhoods.

Not surprising since they have no power, Lower East Side and East Village, some very vulnerable poor people live in that area along with many hipsters.

On a side note, I have been home in the BX (with power) all week cause my office is still without power. I wish I could say the same for my fellow New Yorkers who dont have power/food.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673467
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Wow. Said to be deteriorating? I've been watching the news almost 24/7 and I haven't seen one story about anything like that, except for the gas lines. However, my husband works in nearby Connecticut, and gassed up with no line there today, so it's obviously not widespread. And for someone who is living it firsthand, I've seen nothing close to what you're talking about.

As for our alleged high sense of self, I think that the nation will take notice of the aftermath and it certainly could sway votes. Hmmmm, if I live in an area like Florida that's prone to hurricanes, would I want my president to be the guy who gave us a 15 minute response, or the guy who thinks FEMA is nonsense and that storm victims shouldn't receive assistance?


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Living here in earthquake country I too would love a President who I know would give immediate help. It is good to pay attention to how these disasters are handled. We never know when we will be the ones that need help.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673473
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Interesting note about the Economist: They've never endorsed an incumbent President before until this year. Which I find surprising.

Bloomberg is now enemy #1 on Fox News (or is it #2 after the Kenyan?)

I will agree with Skinny in that the leaders basking in the glory of post-Sandy after next tuesday don't let your eyes off the ball when the American media and public inevitably lose interest. (They both have notorious attention spans.)

Hell New Orleans 7 years later is still recovering.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673477
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Cristie is not a likable guy. Sure, it's fun for people beyond NJ to read about his battles with the Teachers', but as a President, well, Christie would not go far in the primaries.

I'd imagine Fox News has always hated Bloomberg for his position on guns(financing anti-gun candidates), giving money to Planned Parenthood, and of course all the soda stuff must have put a target on the head of Bloomberg a long time ago.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673478
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^^I completely agree with you, Christie in 2016 is a real good possibility.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673479
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I have to admit when an objective, non party affiliated magazine supports Obama that's a blow to Romney. Dap you can't seriously call the economist conservative leaning. They tell it like it is. But I subscribe to them and I love their articles, I think it doesnt bode well for Mr Romney if a highly independent magazine endorses the other side.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #673483
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I have to admit when an objective, non party affiliated magazine supports Obama that's a blow to Romney. Dap you can't seriously call the economist conservative leaning. They tell it like it is. But I subscribe to them and I love their articles, I think it doesnt bode well for Mr Romney if a highly independent magazine endorses the other side.


I also subscribe to The Economist among a bunch of other stuff like the NYTimes, WSJ, Wash Post, Businessweek, Forbes, etc.

The Economist is a globalist magazine that touts free trade as its major policy perogative, free trade is part of the backbone of the conservative agenda.

They used to be known as "the Enronomist" back in the day during the Bush years. They tended to endorse Repub candidates unless the Repub was just a mess (i.e. 2004 and 1992). But they endorsed Reagan in 1980, Dole in 96, and Smirk in 2000. And they make it clear in the article that they don't like Obama's "anti-business" attitude, or the teacher's unions.

This is one of the main reasons I read the magazine, because regardless of their viewpoints they will tout the BEST overall policy/politician in their viewpoint even if it goes against what they should naturally select.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #673485
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I have to admit when an objective, non party affiliated magazine supports Obama that's a blow to Romney. Dap you can't seriously call the economist conservative leaning. They tell it like it is. But I subscribe to them and I love their articles, I think it doesnt bode well for Mr Romney if a highly independent magazine endorses the other side.


The Economist is a British magazine that tends to lean to the left.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Dapper_Don] #673489
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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I have to admit when an objective, non party affiliated magazine supports Obama that's a blow to Romney. Dap you can't seriously call the economist conservative leaning. They tell it like it is. But I subscribe to them and I love their articles, I think it doesnt bode well for Mr Romney if a highly independent magazine endorses the other side.


I also subscribe to The Economist among a bunch of other stuff like the NYTimes, WSJ, Wash Post, Businessweek, Forbes, etc.

The Economist is a globalist magazine that touts free trade as its major policy perogative, free trade is part of the backbone of the conservative agenda.

They used to be known as "the Enronomist" back in the day during the Bush years. They tended to endorse Repub candidates unless the Repub was just a mess (i.e. 2004 and 1992). But they endorsed Reagan in 1980, Dole in 96, and Smirk in 2000. And they make it clear in the article that they don't like Obama's "anti-business" attitude, or the teacher's unions.

This is one of the main reasons I read the magazine, because regardless of their viewpoints they will tout the BEST overall policy/politician in their viewpoint even if it goes against what they should naturally select.


It's one of the main reasons I read it too. I may vote for Romney but the economist is a respectable magazine that doesn't write bullshit. I think this only affirms how close this election is going to be. Iowas biggest newspaper endorsed Romney this year and that's the first time they went republican since Reagan.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673491
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Flashback: Last days of the 1992 Election.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/03/us/the...=all&src=pm

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673492
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I think I'll be posting random vintage election night network coverage videos. How much has changed, how much hasn't.


Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673493
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These are some great articles I have just read, I HIGHLY encourage you from either party to take 10 minutes and read them. Very interesting analysis and topics.

What It Will Take for Barack Obama to Become the Next FDR
"First, he should let the United States go over the fiscal cliff. Then he should push filibuster reform."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...ext-fdr/264195/

Either I Win or You Cheated
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/either-i-win-or-you-cheated/264433/

Why the GOP Should Fear a Romney Presidency

"At best, he would be hamstrung by the conflicting demands of a radicalized party. At worst, he would wreck the Reagan coalition."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...sidency/263918/

Here's an endorsement tracking sheet which compares all newspaper endorsements so far. The columns show the publication, the endorsee, the publications reason for endorsing, and three previous presidential endorsements.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/11/economist-endorses-devil-we-know/58601/


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Well I voted against Amendment 6 in Florida today. That's the amendment that would cut state funding to pay for abortions.

In other words, I support state funded abortions.

Amazing stuff like that even makes the ballot.

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If I lived in Florida I would vote against that amendment too.


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I'll respond (if not read yet) the first and third pieces you linked Dapper.

(1) I like Obama, but he's no FDR who was a master politician. In the late 1930s he prepared himself for the recession that came and survived it very well. Besides the right, if indeed their bubble of self-assurance burts and their sworn enemy is re-elected, will oppose him even if its reform that potentially they ideologically should be attracted to. (Of course the right-wing influenced ObamaCare is Socialism, so I doubt that'll matter.)

(3) Theoretically I could see Willard going Bubba on his base with triangulation. Difference is the liberal base in the 1990s were so demoralized, pussy whipped, and afraid of the GOP, they easily corralled under Bubba. The GOP base is so insane, they won't give a fuck they'll slap Willard so hard his dad 50 years ago will feel it.

I'm reminded of when Dubya boldly went for immigration reform, when he had Democratic support and who the hell knows, could've secured the GOP a permanent heavy bloc of Hispanic voting support. But nooooooo his own base whined about amnesty amnesty amnesty (which it wasn't but you can't argue with morons) and well Dubya lost his party's chance to fulfill Karl Rove's dreams of a permanent majority.

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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Well I voted against Amendment 6 in Florida today. That's the amendment that would cut state funding to pay for abortions.


I thought you wouldn't mind supporting less criminals?

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I always thought Bush went for Amnesty knowing the Dems would vote against it, thus it would not pass, and the GOP could use that against the Dems by saying, "The Dems voted against Amnesty".

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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Well I voted against Amendment 6 in Florida today. That's the amendment that would cut state funding to pay for abortions.


I thought you wouldn't mind supporting less criminals?


I voted against(N0) Amendment 6.

If I voted for it(YES), then it would eliminate state funding of abortions. In other words, I voted the way Planned Parenthood would want me to vote.

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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

If I voted for it(YES), then it would eliminate state funding of abortions. In other words, I voted the way Planned Parenthood would want me to vote.


Alright apologies, I misread what you said.

Anyway 2 foods for thoughts:

(1) Obama's new stump speech today, apparently all positive mushy and Willard doesn't exist.

(2) Willard is campaigning in PA sunday.

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LOL. It's easy to misread those silly amendments.

Obama mentioned Romney today.

No clue why Romney is in PA. Some say it's because he thinks he can't win Ohio and is looking for another road to the White House. Others say he thinks he has Ohio and is trying to sway PA for insurance.

You don't know what to believe. Each side spins it their way.

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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
I always thought Bush went for Amnesty knowing the Dems would vote against it, thus it would not pass, and the GOP could use that against the Dems by saying, "The Dems voted against Amnesty".


It wasnt amnesty, and the dems WOULD leap at the chance to vote for it regardless of who was in power.

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
I'll respond (if not read yet) the first and third pieces you linked Dapper.

(1) I like Obama, but he's no FDR who was a master politician. In the late 1930s he prepared himself for the recession that came and survived it very well. Besides the right, if indeed their bubble of self-assurance burts and their sworn enemy is re-elected, will oppose him even if its reform that potentially they ideologically should be attracted to. (Of course the right-wing influenced ObamaCare is Socialism, so I doubt that'll matter.)

(3) Theoretically I could see Willard going Bubba on his base with triangulation. Difference is the liberal base in the 1990s were so demoralized, pussy whipped, and afraid of the GOP, they easily corralled under Bubba. The GOP base is so insane, they won't give a fuck they'll slap Willard so hard his dad 50 years ago will feel it.

I'm reminded of when Dubya boldly went for immigration reform, when he had Democratic support and who the hell knows, could've secured the GOP a permanent heavy bloc of Hispanic voting support. But nooooooo his own base whined about amnesty amnesty amnesty (which it wasn't but you can't argue with morons) and well Dubya lost his party's chance to fulfill Karl Rove's dreams of a permanent majority.


Thanks for your interesting comments Ronnie.


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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
LOL. It's easy to misread those silly amendments.

Obama mentioned Romney today.

No clue why Romney is in PA. Some say it's because he thinks he can't win Ohio and is looking for another road to the White House. Others say he thinks he has Ohio and is trying to sway PA for insurance.

You don't know what to believe. Each side spins it their way.


Could not agree more Skinny.


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My daughter voted for the first time today. She registered, but then was going to be at school and couldn't get home for Election Day. Given that Sandy provided her with extra time home, she went to the local Board of Elections, applied for, completed and submitted her absentee ballot. She was very proud and very excited about participating for the first time.


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Good for her Babe!!

By the time we get the next election here my daughter, Jennifer will be able to vote and she has started to take a bit of an interest in politics already. Keeps asking me questions and stuff. I tell her they are all a pack of shitbags but she has to vote for somebody, put a blindfold on and play eenie meenie moe...... lol

P.S. She is a big Obama fan, likes to hear him make speeches, which is good because as any good politician he obviously likes to talk tongue


I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees!
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