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Re: Election 2012
[Re: 123JoeSchmo]
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11/01/12 01:45 AM
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That's exactly what I'm saying Camarel. Romney's views on abortion and gay marriage, whatever they are, aren't going to affect the law itself if he wins the Presidency. Abortion will continue to be legal, while gay marriage will be left to the individual states (as it should be) Problem is, the LGBT community can't rely solely on the states for the rights they want. Like citizenship through marriage. And joint filing of federal taxes. States can't do that.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Skinny_Vinny]
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11/01/12 04:27 AM
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That's exactly what I'm saying Camarel. Romney's views on abortion and gay marriage, whatever they are, aren't going to affect the law itself if he wins the Presidency. Abortion will continue to be legal, while gay marriage will be left to the individual states (as it should be) Problem is, the LGBT community can't rely solely on the states for the rights they want. Like citizenship through marriage. And joint filing of federal taxes. States can't do that. What has the President done for them other than endorsing gay marriage which means nothing and don't ask don't tell which is a big step forward but doesn't address any of the problems you brought up.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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11/01/12 04:56 AM
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Camarel, I don't follow the LGBT stuff much because I support same-sex civil unions but I think Obama stopped defending the Defense of Marriage Act(DOMA). But the LGBT vote won't matter. When Obama wins next week, it will be because of people like the lady in this youtube clip http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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11/01/12 10:35 AM
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I don't know. I think race DOES play a factor in this election. Is everyone racist? Of course not, But I DO think that it IS an issue in this election and it's really sad IMHO. Lilo, I saw that picture you posted above a couple days ago. I also, last week saw a sign that said "Get the Bro & the Ho out of the White House." These people DO exist and they will vote simply to get President Obama out of the White House simply because he's Black. This both sides have their idiots is true, but never have I seen so much hatred (and believe me a lot of people hated Bush) as I have in this particular election and it is coming from the RIGHT not the left. TIS
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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11/01/12 10:53 AM
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Poor FOX News. The morning show tried to take some of the sting away from Chris Christie's praise of the President and it backfired. They asked him whether Romney would visit or call, seemingly opening the door for some kind words for the candidate Christie's endorsing, but Christie said he couldn't care less about presidential politics right now, showing a little indignation that in this time of crisis they would exploit his appearance to push their agenda.
By the way I was dumbfounded that Brownie would criticize the quick federal response to the emergency. This time around FEMA was prepared with a plan prior to Sandy's arrival, and the coordination among federal, state and local authorities has accellerated the help to those, who need it.
Christie and Obama are receiving just praise for their strong leadership. But make no mistake, the leadership doesn't start with showing up after the fact and surveying the damage, but it starts with having the organization and the proper people in the right roles. Unlike Bush, who viewed the position of FEMA Director as a politcal patronage position and filled it with an incompetent hack, Obama filled the position with the able and experienced Fugate.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: klydon1]
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11/01/12 10:58 AM
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I saw that clip. The 3 anchors jaws dropped I think. It would be nice if this would set an example for both sides to "get along"and work together. Plus I like the President's "15 minute rule." A phone call MUST be returned within 15 minutes. He IS organized. TIS
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: klydon1]
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11/01/12 11:40 AM
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Plus I like the President's "15 minute rule." A phone call MUST be returned within 15 minutes. He IS organized. TIS I guarantee that he is the only one with a law degree in America, who does this. I can't believe how it could be possible. As a practice I try to return all phone calls by the end of the business day. LOL, I see your point. I "assume" he has tons of his people/connections returning calls/answering questions. I doubt he returns the calls himself unless there's a problem. TIS
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: pizzaboy]
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11/01/12 11:55 AM
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The storm cleanup should help Obama. Not only does it stop Romney from going on the offensive, but people will ultimately be reminded of the poor job Bush (and by extension the Republican Party) did during Hurricane Katrina. I don't think Romney has a chance at this point. It helps Obama because it got him off his failing campaign trail. His numbers were dropping, and his campaign was using insults like "Romnesia", and putting out ads like the one with the hipster actress equating voting for Obama with losing virginity. Nothing seemed to be working for Obama. In the end, will anyone change their vote because of Sandy? Not here in swing state Florida. I can't see the almighty NY/NJ people changing their votes because a hurricane hit Florida, or Virginia, or Ohio, so I don't see why people in those states should change their votes because Obama got some positive press out of your catastrophe.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Skinny_Vinny]
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11/01/12 12:04 PM
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and putting out ads like the one with the hipster actress equating voting for Obama with losing virginity. That was a silly ad. The kind of ad that made all Democrats look like Hollywood weirdos . Did they end up pulling it?
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: 123JoeSchmo]
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11/01/12 05:04 PM
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Skinny Vinny is right in the sense that no matter how successful Obama was in this clean up it doesnt affect the outcome because the hurricane hit states that are blue and were a lock for Obama anyway. People from Ohio, Florida, and Virginia don't give a damn about a storm that has nothing to do with them. Which is why I still say this doesn't charge anything so late in the game. It does matter to people in those states because Obama has had the chance to show that he is able to work with people from the other party (Rep. Chris Christie) cooperatively to help the recovery in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy. On top of showing strong leadership qualities in a time of crisis, which is what this is. Poll's have shown that overwhelming numbers of people love when politicians work across the aisle, and having Christie give Obama a huge blessing definitely helps. I just saw a new poll that 78% of Americans approve of Obama's response to the Hurricane.
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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11/01/12 05:33 PM
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I was a bit susprised, cause he's been throwing shots at both candidates recently so I thought he wasnt going to endorse anybody. But he specifically cited Obama's belief in climate change and steps he has taken to address emissions as a main driver for his endorsement. On another note, I saw this today. I studied economics in college, so this is already common sense that trickle down policies DONT work, but tactics like the following is what piss me off! Hiding the truth pisses me off. Nonpartisan Tax Report Withdrawn After G.O.P. Protest The Congressional Research Service has withdrawn an economic report that found no correlation between top tax rates and economic growth, a central tenet of conservative economy theory, after Senate Republicans raised concerns about the paper’s findings and wording. "questions the premise that lowering the top marginal tax rate stimulates economic growth and job creation." http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/busine...-tax-rates.html
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Dapper_Don]
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11/01/12 05:55 PM
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Oh, I didn't catch that it was only for Ohio. Sorry! Still good for OH. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Camarel]
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11/01/12 06:05 PM
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That was a procedural move because Obama wasnt happy with it. "The White House sought to provide cover for Democrats to vote against the Obama budget resolution before the vote, arguing the resolution offered by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) was different from Obama’s budget because it did not include policy report language.Democrats made the same point on the floor Wednesday in explaining their votes. " That's exactly what I'm saying Camarel. Romney's views on abortion and gay marriage, whatever they are, aren't going to affect the law itself if he wins the Presidency. Abortion will continue to be legal, while gay marriage will be left to the individual states (as it should be)
Gay marriage is 40 odd -1 the last time i heard as well as Obamas budget got voted against by as much D as R so he can't start claiming he's the great uniter. It's kind of hard to get any GOP votes when the leader of GOP Senators Mitch McConnell said his number one priority was to deny Obama a second term RIGHT after Obama won the election in 2008. The GOP and their wacko Tea Party friends holds a majority in the House so nothing is getting across them from Obama.
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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