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Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #673338
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
That's exactly what I'm saying Camarel. Romney's views on abortion and gay marriage, whatever they are, aren't going to affect the law itself if he wins the Presidency. Abortion will continue to be legal, while gay marriage will be left to the individual states (as it should be)


Gay marriage is 40 odd -1 the last time i heard as well as Obamas budget got voted against by as much D as R so he can't start claiming he's the great uniter.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673339
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He's not, Congress is more divided than ever.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673340
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I clicked on the first link regardless if it's biased it's still the vote it got.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/227857-senate-rejects-obama-budget-in-99-0-vote/

Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #673341
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
He's not, Congress is more divided than ever.


If he done anything substantial when he had 2 years with the house and senate he'd be on to a landslide but he's now onto a narrow victory over Romney most likely.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #673344
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
That's exactly what I'm saying Camarel. Romney's views on abortion and gay marriage, whatever they are, aren't going to affect the law itself if he wins the Presidency. Abortion will continue to be legal, while gay marriage will be left to the individual states (as it should be)


Problem is, the LGBT community can't rely solely on the states for the rights they want.

Like citizenship through marriage. And joint filing of federal taxes. States can't do that.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #673350
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
That's exactly what I'm saying Camarel. Romney's views on abortion and gay marriage, whatever they are, aren't going to affect the law itself if he wins the Presidency. Abortion will continue to be legal, while gay marriage will be left to the individual states (as it should be)


Problem is, the LGBT community can't rely solely on the states for the rights they want.

Like citizenship through marriage. And joint filing of federal taxes. States can't do that.


What has the President done for them other than endorsing gay marriage which means nothing and don't ask don't tell which is a big step forward but doesn't address any of the problems you brought up.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673351
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Camarel,

I don't follow the LGBT stuff much because I support same-sex civil unions but I think Obama stopped defending the Defense of Marriage Act(DOMA).

But the LGBT vote won't matter. When Obama wins next week, it will be because of people like the lady in this youtube clip

http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #673353
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny

But the LGBT vote won't matter. When Obama wins next week, it will be because of people like the lady in this youtube clip

http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio


And if Obama loses, it will be because of base voters like the ones at this rally.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Camarel] #673355
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Original geschrieben von: Camarel
The one thing i'd like to say as a non American is that the majority of non Romney voters are basing it on GOP policies (abortion,gay marriage)

I doubt it. Many of them don't even know what the GOP policies are.
http://today.yougov.com/news/2012/10/24/informed-voters-should-see-psychiatrists/

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673375
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There are nutjobs on both sides. Just as you can point to an Al Sharpton, you can point to a Sarah Palin. Both sides have their idiots. And I think that most people to the extreme of any side are not thinking clearly. I prefer to think that those leaning more towards the middle are more willing to listen to all sides and make a good decision based on fact. What scares me are those that vote according to silly fear-mongering.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #673380
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I don't know. I think race DOES play a factor in this election. Is everyone racist? Of course not, But I DO think that it IS an issue in this election and it's really sad IMHO. frown

Lilo, I saw that picture you posted above a couple days ago. I also, last week saw a sign that said "Get the Bro & the Ho out of the White House." These people DO exist and they will vote simply to get President Obama out of the White House simply because he's Black. This both sides have their idiots is true, but never have I seen so much hatred (and believe me a lot of people hated Bush) as I have in this particular election and it is coming from the RIGHT not the left.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673383
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Poor FOX News. The morning show tried to take some of the sting away from Chris Christie's praise of the President and it backfired. They asked him whether Romney would visit or call, seemingly opening the door for some kind words for the candidate Christie's endorsing, but Christie said he couldn't care less about presidential politics right now, showing a little indignation that in this time of crisis they would exploit his appearance to push their agenda.

By the way I was dumbfounded that Brownie would criticize the quick federal response to the emergency. This time around FEMA was prepared with a plan prior to Sandy's arrival, and the coordination among federal, state and local authorities has accellerated the help to those, who need it.

Christie and Obama are receiving just praise for their strong leadership. But make no mistake, the leadership doesn't start with showing up after the fact and surveying the damage, but it starts with having the organization and the proper people in the right roles. Unlike Bush, who viewed the position of FEMA Director as a politcal patronage position and filled it with an incompetent hack, Obama filled the position with the able and experienced Fugate.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: klydon1] #673385
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I saw that clip. The 3 anchors jaws dropped I think. lol

It would be nice if this would set an example for both sides to "get along"and work together. ohwell

Plus I like the President's "15 minute rule." A phone call MUST be returned within 15 minutes. He IS organized. smile



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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #673388
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The storm cleanup should help Obama. Not only does it stop Romney from going on the offensive, but people will ultimately be reminded of the poor job Bush (and by extension the Republican Party) did during Hurricane Katrina. I don't think Romney has a chance at this point.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #673390
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Plus I like the President's "15 minute rule." A phone call MUST be returned within 15 minutes. He IS organized. smile



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I guarantee that he is the only one with a law degree in America, who does this. I can't believe how it could be possible. As a practice I try to return all phone calls by the end of the business day.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: klydon1] #673394
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Plus I like the President's "15 minute rule." A phone call MUST be returned within 15 minutes. He IS organized. smile



TIS


I guarantee that he is the only one with a law degree in America, who does this. I can't believe how it could be possible. As a practice I try to return all phone calls by the end of the business day.


LOL, I see your point. I "assume" he has tons of his people/connections returning calls/answering questions. I doubt he returns the calls himself unless there's a problem.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: pizzaboy] #673401
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
The storm cleanup should help Obama. Not only does it stop Romney from going on the offensive, but people will ultimately be reminded of the poor job Bush (and by extension the Republican Party) did during Hurricane Katrina. I don't think Romney has a chance at this point.


It helps Obama because it got him off his failing campaign trail. His numbers were dropping, and his campaign was using insults like "Romnesia", and putting out ads like the one with the hipster actress equating voting for Obama with losing virginity. Nothing seemed to be working for Obama.

In the end, will anyone change their vote because of Sandy? Not here in swing state Florida.

I can't see the almighty NY/NJ people changing their votes because a hurricane hit Florida, or Virginia, or Ohio, so I don't see why people in those states should change their votes because Obama got some positive press out of your catastrophe.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #673404
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
and putting out ads like the one with the hipster actress equating voting for Obama with losing virginity.

That was a silly ad. The kind of ad that made all Democrats look like Hollywood weirdos rolleyes.

Did they end up pulling it?


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673410
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In 2008, we could see a fresh speech of Obama almost every week. This year it's been more or less the same with a few variation.
Back then they showed the complete speeches on Obama's Youtube channel, this year only some fragments.
Why?

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673413
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I don't think Obama campaign pulled the ad, but I doubt they'll buy television time to run it. The ad will remain on Obama's website, and RW who like to make fun of it.

Just heard Obama is campaigning in Green Bay. Can't believe Wisconsin could be in play.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #673414
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I will tell you one thing for sure...after all this crap. I have little to no respect for anyone in the political field.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673417
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Here's an example of why you really have to be careful when it comes to showing your political affiliation.

http://www.wsmv.com/video?clipId=7896333&autostart=true

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673420
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Skinny Vinny is right in the sense that no matter how successful Obama was in this clean up it doesnt affect the outcome because the hurricane hit states that are blue and were a lock for Obama anyway. People from Ohio, Florida, and Virginia don't give a damn about a storm that has nothing to do with them. Which is why I still say this doesn't charge anything so late in the game.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #673444
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Skinny Vinny is right in the sense that no matter how successful Obama was in this clean up it doesnt affect the outcome because the hurricane hit states that are blue and were a lock for Obama anyway. People from Ohio, Florida, and Virginia don't give a damn about a storm that has nothing to do with them. Which is why I still say this doesn't charge anything so late in the game.


It does matter to people in those states because Obama has had the chance to show that he is able to work with people from the other party (Rep. Chris Christie) cooperatively to help the recovery in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy. On top of showing strong leadership qualities in a time of crisis, which is what this is. Poll's have shown that overwhelming numbers of people love when politicians work across the aisle, and having Christie give Obama a huge blessing definitely helps. I just saw a new poll that 78% of Americans approve of Obama's response to the Hurricane.


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Did you guys hear Mayor Bloomberg is supporting President Obama? Is anyone surprised? confused




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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #673448
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I was a bit susprised, cause he's been throwing shots at both candidates recently so I thought he wasnt going to endorse anybody. But he specifically cited Obama's belief in climate change and steps he has taken to address emissions as a main driver for his endorsement.

On another note, I saw this today. I studied economics in college, so this is already common sense that trickle down policies DONT work, but tactics like the following is what piss me off! Hiding the truth pisses me off.



Nonpartisan Tax Report Withdrawn After G.O.P. Protest

The Congressional Research Service has withdrawn an economic report that found no correlation between top tax rates and economic growth, a central tenet of conservative economy theory, after Senate Republicans raised concerns about the paper’s findings and wording.

"questions the premise that lowering the top marginal tax rate stimulates economic growth and job creation."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/busine...-tax-rates.html


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Dapper_Don] #673452
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DD,

Yes I did see that story and I agree, it pisses me off as well. mad

On another note I hear unemployment went down to 7.0 in October.At least it's the right direction no?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/31/msnbcs-todd-wsj-cover-for-romneys-misleading-oh/191033


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #673453
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
DD,

Yes I did see that story and I agree, it pisses me off as well. mad

On another note I hear unemployment went down to 7.0 in October.At least it's the right direction no?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/31/msnbcs-todd-wsj-cover-for-romneys-misleading-oh/191033


TIS


Down is always good for the unemployment rate, the 7% rate refers to Ohio specifically, nationally it is 7.8%

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/unemployment-and-the-swing-states/


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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
DD,

Yes I did see that story and I agree, it pisses me off as well. mad

On another note I hear unemployment went down to 7.0 in October.At least it's the right direction no?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/31/msnbcs-todd-wsj-cover-for-romneys-misleading-oh/191033


TIS


Down is always good for the unemployment rate, the 7% rate refers to Ohio specifically, nationally it is 7.8%

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/unemployment-and-the-swing-states/




Oh, I didn't catch that it was only for Ohio. Sorry! blush Still good for OH.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: Camarel] #673456
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Originally Posted By: Camarel
I clicked on the first link regardless if it's biased it's still the vote it got.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/227857-senate-rejects-obama-budget-in-99-0-vote/


That was a procedural move because Obama wasnt happy with it.

"The White House sought to provide cover for Democrats to vote against the Obama budget resolution before the vote, arguing the resolution offered by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) was different from Obama’s budget because it did not include policy report language.Democrats made the same point on the floor Wednesday in explaining their votes. "
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
That's exactly what I'm saying Camarel. Romney's views on abortion and gay marriage, whatever they are, aren't going to affect the law itself if he wins the Presidency. Abortion will continue to be legal, while gay marriage will be left to the individual states (as it should be)


Gay marriage is 40 odd -1 the last time i heard as well as Obamas budget got voted against by as much D as R so he can't start claiming he's the great uniter.


It's kind of hard to get any GOP votes when the leader of GOP Senators Mitch McConnell said his number one priority was to deny Obama a second term RIGHT after Obama won the election in 2008. The GOP and their wacko Tea Party friends holds a majority in the House so nothing is getting across them from Obama.


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