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Re: Election 2012
[Re: olivant]
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10/25/12 09:26 PM
10/25/12 09:26 PM
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123JoeSchmo
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Presidents do not increase or decrease the National Debt; only the US Congress can do so.
For some reason (probably ignorance) many people accrue the federal government's FY 2009 budet deficit to President Obama when, if one is going to accrue it to any President, it should be accrued to President Bush. He requested an FY 2009 budget of $3.1 trillion and estimated revenues at about $2.7 trillion. Unfortunately, only $2.1 trillion in revenue accrued. President Bush is to blame for much of the mess we are in right now. But Obama has only made it worse in a lot of ways. Fact is the Democrats had control of congress for two years and did very little (other than the successful auto bailout). I blame congress for being stagnant and not working together to find common ground, but that fact is this is Obama's administration, he bears responsibility for passing laws and legislation that increase or decrease spending. So far, he's pushed it right to the top of the ceiling and that's something he can't do if he's elected for another four years.
"Don't ever go against the family again. Ever"- Michael Corleone
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: 123JoeSchmo]
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10/25/12 10:03 PM
10/25/12 10:03 PM
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Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 15,029 Texas
olivant
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They do however have executive authority to sign bills and pass laws. Lately President Obama hasn't had much to sign as Congress is a mess. But he can also balance a proper budget, something Clinton did in the nineties (which led to surplus).
I'm starting see Obama is no Bill Clinton, and he's certainly not John F. Kennedy. But make no mistake I'm not all for Romney I have my reservations about him. What are they teaching in schools these days? You're certainly not in my class. Cite in the US Constitution presidential autority to "pass laws". Presidents cannot exercise their Constitutional authority to sign a bill until it is passed by Congress.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: dontomasso]
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10/25/12 10:14 PM
10/25/12 10:14 PM
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Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 25,984 California
The Italian Stallionette
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I shook hands and spoke to the president today at a rally in Tampa. I was on the rope line. Obama sounded a little hoarse, and when I shook his hand I pointed to my throat and said, "Mr. President....be carefule about your voice." He gave me the "Obama stare" and he just said, "I know." then he moved on. Does this make me an advisor to the president? DT, sorry I missed this post. I am so jealous. I would have loved to have seen the President. Was there a large crowd? I see his voice his pretty hoarse today. Do you have a picture to post? Living in a Blue state he doesn't come in my area often (L.A. maybe, but that would be a nightmare to drive to). Only President I ever saw was when I was a kid back in 1960 when then Senator Kennedy was running for President. How exciting that was. I did shake Bobby Kennedy's hand as well when he was running. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: Skinny_Vinny]
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10/26/12 09:33 AM
10/26/12 09:33 AM
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Posts: 13,145 East Tennessee
ronnierocketAGO
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Pennsylvania has more NRA members than any state. That alone tells you a little something about them. When it's said and done, I bet Obama wins the state by just 2 points. Remember Charlie Sheen? "Duh, winning!" I mean that state has been blue since '92. It's why I'm having troubles seeing it actually turn. I'm reminded of the last national election when McCain's people continually bring up how Pennsylvania was in play. Except it wasn't really. But anyway. Interesting note: The President is doing 10 TV interviews today, Team Mittens has ruled out doing any interviews (for now) up to election day.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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10/26/12 12:23 PM
10/26/12 12:23 PM
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Posts: 11,797 Pennsylvania
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Pennsylvania has more NRA members than any state. That alone tells you a little something about them. When it's said and done, I bet Obama wins the state by just 2 points. Remember Charlie Sheen? "Duh, winning!" I mean that state has been blue since '92. It's why I'm having troubles seeing it actually turn. I'm reminded of the last national election when McCain's people continually bring up how Pennsylvania was in play. Except it wasn't really. But anyway. Interesting note: The President is doing 10 TV interviews today, Team Mittens has ruled out doing any interviews (for now) up to election day. I've not seen any tv ads in PA over the past 4 weeks for either candidate. PA should give Obama a 5 point margin. Yes, we are a big NRA state, and while I'm not a gun owner, my best friend owns and operates a gun shop. PA also has a very large number of pro-life citizens. But this has been the case for decades as many of our Democrats are pro-life, including our Dem Senator and current rep.
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Re: Election 2012
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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10/26/12 07:30 PM
10/26/12 07:30 PM
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Posts: 5,325 MI
Lilo
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I don't know who will win the election. There are of course honorable legitimate reasons to vote for either major party candidate. But this election also shows a look into the ugly id of some people like John Sununu. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/1...bama/?mobile=ncIt is laughable that someone who was born in Cuba feels so comfortable questioning the legitimacy and patriotism of someone who was born in the US. Now Sununu is claiming that the only reason Powell endorsed Obama is that they're both black. This is ugly reptillian brain stuff. But it also shows you how Sununu thinks. The logical next question then to Sununu (and anyone who shares that thinking) is since all the past Presidents have been white was that the only reason that Sununu endorsed them? If Sununu says yes then at least he's honest. If he would say no (as I suspect he would) then of course he's saying something about how he views black people. Then you have Trump and his obsession with President Obama's grades. "See you only got a B+ in this class so that means you're unqualified and must be impeached!!!!". And the less said about Palin the better. The f*****d up thing is that although the President may well lose the election and thus remove the proximate cause of this particular conservative racial primal scream, there are of course millions of people who think like Sununu, Trump and others and they remain safely ensconced in positions of authority in businesses and colleges and government offices across the US. So it goes.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungleāas old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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