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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672111
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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
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Romney had made up a lot of ground with women in the last few weeks. Now him and his party are back to defending themselves against the "War on Women" label again.

...Not a spot they want to be in with only 12 days left.


I'm sorry but that poll I believe as much as the new AP poll claiming Obama tied him with Men.

No way.



lol ...I said "made up ground", not agreeing with the polls that say Obamaa is tied with men, and Romney is tied with women. wink

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Five_Felonies] #672119
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Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
the main problems that i have with obama are...

#1 the national debt has increased from 10 trillion to 16 trillion since he became president, bottom line. his supporters are always all too quick to blame it all on bush. he definatly deserves some of the blame and president bush was horrible, but the fact remains that our current president spends like a drunken sailor who's mind is rotten from syphilis. justify it all you want, but the fact remains that spending more money than you take in will ultimatly result in financial disaster. i'm not a big fan of this whole "spend more money to fix a monetary problem" as it just goes against common sense imo. the biggest problem we face is not what iran is doing, but rather what these fools continue to do with our tax money and it starts and stops at the federal level point blank.


This right here is why I have serious reservations against president Obama. I agree five families. One of many questions I have. I want to know if Obama would cut down the debt without taxing the hell out of the top 5 percent.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672120
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Presidents do not increase or decrease the National Debt; only the US Congress can do so.

For some reason (probably ignorance) many people accrue the federal government's FY 2009 budet deficit to President Obama when, if one is going to accrue it to any President, it should be accrued to President Bush. He requested an FY 2009 budget of $3.1 trillion and estimated revenues at about $2.7 trillion. Unfortunately, only $2.1 trillion in revenue accrued.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: olivant] #672122
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Originally Posted By: olivant
Presidents do not increase or decrease the National Debt; only the US Congress can do so.

For some reason (probably ignorance) many people accrue the federal government's FY 2009 budet deficit to President Obama when, if one is going to accrue it to any President, it should be accrued to President Bush. He requested an FY 2009 budget of $3.1 trillion and estimated revenues at about $2.7 trillion. Unfortunately, only $2.1 trillion in revenue accrued.


President Bush is to blame for much of the mess we are in right now. But Obama has only made it worse in a lot of ways. Fact is the Democrats had control of congress for two years and did very little (other than the successful auto bailout). I blame congress for being stagnant and not working together to find common ground, but that fact is this is Obama's administration, he bears responsibility for passing laws and legislation that increase or decrease spending. So far, he's pushed it right to the top of the ceiling and that's something he can't do if he's elected for another four years.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672124
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Presidents have no Constitutional authority to "pass laws and legislation".


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672125
10/25/12 09:56 PM
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They do however have executive authority to sign bills and pass laws. Lately President Obama hasn't had much to sign as Congress is a mess. But he can also balance a proper budget, something Clinton did in the nineties (which led to surplus).

I'm starting see Obama is no Bill Clinton, and he's certainly not John F. Kennedy. But make no mistake I'm not all for Romney I have my reservations about him.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: 123JoeSchmo] #672126
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
They do however have executive authority to sign bills and pass laws. Lately President Obama hasn't had much to sign as Congress is a mess. But he can also balance a proper budget, something Clinton did in the nineties (which led to surplus).

I'm starting see Obama is no Bill Clinton, and he's certainly not John F. Kennedy. But make no mistake I'm not all for Romney I have my reservations about him.


What are they teaching in schools these days? You're certainly not in my class.

Cite in the US Constitution presidential autority to "pass laws". Presidents cannot exercise their Constitutional authority to sign a bill until it is passed by Congress.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672127
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The President submits a federal budget every year. Congress hasn't approved a budget since 2009?

Re: Election 2012 [Re: dontomasso] #672128
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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
I shook hands and spoke to the president today at a rally in Tampa. I was on the rope line. Obama sounded a little hoarse, and when I shook his hand I pointed to my throat and said, "Mr. President....be carefule about your voice." He gave me the "Obama stare" and he just said, "I know." then he moved on. Does this make me an advisor to the president?


DT, sorry I missed this post. I am so jealous. I would have loved to have seen the President. smile Was there a large crowd? I see his voice his pretty hoarse today. Do you have a picture to post? smile Living in a Blue state he doesn't come in my area often (L.A. maybe, but that would be a nightmare to drive to).

Only President I ever saw was when I was a kid back in 1960 when then Senator Kennedy was running for President. How exciting that was. smile I did shake Bobby Kennedy's hand as well when he was running.

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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672129
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I know that. The bill has to be passed by the house and Senate before the President can sign it. If he veto's it Congress can reverse it with two thirds majority.

That's first grade man please do not patronize me. I was merely suggesing that the President has an agenda, he can put his own support behind a bill (he could've with the Simpson-Bowles idea, he did not and that was a mistake). Of course he can't sign it unless Congress does. But he can make a budget and he can support ideas. Such as cutting the deficit and cutting spending but he has not done this.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ht2] #672130
10/25/12 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: ht2
The President submits a federal budget every year. Congress hasn't approved a budget since 2009?


Correct.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672131
10/25/12 10:27 PM
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Anyone want to make a prediction on the election?

I got:

Obama 275
Romney 263

EV predictions only please.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #672137
10/25/12 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Anyone want to make a prediction on the election?

I got:

Obama 275
Romney 263

EV predictions only please.


Give me a week maybe. I want to see where some of this polling going on. I mean days ago we were writing off NC and Florida* but now polling say they're in contention again.

*=I didn't, only because its the one state where the death rate is higher than the birthrate.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #672138
10/25/12 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Anyone want to make a prediction on the election?

I got:

Obama 275
Romney 263

EV predictions only please.


Obama 290
Romney 248

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672139
10/25/12 11:37 PM
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I went to a GOP rally with 860AM and today's Obama rally. Obama seems like a human being now. He didn't until recently.

Polls in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Iowa are tightening too. If those three states are in play next week, I might change my prediction.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: dontomasso] #672141
10/26/12 12:05 AM
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Dontomasso,thats awesome! Thats something i always wanted to do since i seen a motorcade in the 70s with Nixon. I would love to one day get a chance to shake a presidents hand!

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672142
10/26/12 12:07 AM
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Honestly I'm having trouble believing Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are actually in play. No more than Pennsylvania was supposedly last time.

I'll tell you what surprises me. I thought Nevada would go red with the local Mormons coming out to get their boy Mittens in, but I'm...not really seeing that currently. Might or might not materialize, or maybe too many of them are registered to vote outside of the state or are they already within the GOP voting file, its not that big of an advantage? I don't know.

Whatever the math, the psychological battlefield is Ohio. I believe Mittens alone has 17 events planned there alone in the next week and half.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672146
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Pennsylvania has more NRA members than any state. That alone tells you a little something about them. When it's said and done, I bet Obama wins the state by just 2 points.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: dontomasso] #672152
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Original geschrieben von: dontomasso
I shook hands and spoke to the president today at a rally in Tampa. I was on the rope line. Obama sounded a little hoarse, and when I shook his hand I pointed to my throat and said, "Mr. President....be carefule about your voice." He gave me the "Obama stare" and he just said, "I know." then he moved on. Does this make me an advisor to the president?


I have been worried about his voice for the last two weeks or so. In 1987 the German chancellor candidate lost his voice two weeks before the election and consequently they lost the election too.
(Four years ago when Obama was in Berlin I was 2 meters close/far to him. Too far for any advise.)

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Skinny_Vinny] #672181
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Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Pennsylvania has more NRA members than any state. That alone tells you a little something about them. When it's said and done, I bet Obama wins the state by just 2 points.


Remember Charlie Sheen? "Duh, winning!"

I mean that state has been blue since '92. It's why I'm having troubles seeing it actually turn. I'm reminded of the last national election when McCain's people continually bring up how Pennsylvania was in play. Except it wasn't really. But anyway.

Interesting note: The President is doing 10 TV interviews today, Team Mittens has ruled out doing any interviews (for now) up to election day.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672190
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For what it's worth.

Movement of Stock Market and Outcome of Presidential Elections

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...n-maybe/264117/

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Just Lou] #672219
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Originally Posted By: Just Lou
It should be interesting to see the polls over the weekend to see if the idiotic comments made the last couple of days by Robert Mourdock, Donald Trump, Ann Coulter, and Sarah Palin, have any effect on the race.


They are walking insults to the American voter. They assume we are all idiots, who are easily frightened.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672227
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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Skinny_Vinny
Pennsylvania has more NRA members than any state. That alone tells you a little something about them. When it's said and done, I bet Obama wins the state by just 2 points.


Remember Charlie Sheen? "Duh, winning!"

I mean that state has been blue since '92. It's why I'm having troubles seeing it actually turn. I'm reminded of the last national election when McCain's people continually bring up how Pennsylvania was in play. Except it wasn't really. But anyway.

Interesting note: The President is doing 10 TV interviews today, Team Mittens has ruled out doing any interviews (for now) up to election day.


I've not seen any tv ads in PA over the past 4 weeks for either candidate. PA should give Obama a 5 point margin.

Yes, we are a big NRA state, and while I'm not a gun owner, my best friend owns and operates a gun shop. PA also has a very large number of pro-life citizens. But this has been the case for decades as many of our Democrats are pro-life, including our Dem Senator and current rep.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: klydon1] #672257
10/26/12 01:44 PM
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Ok, is this a joke? I hear Meatloaf endorsed Romney. Forget that Mitt probably never had meatloaf in his life let alone know who Meatloaf the singer is, but is this a joke. He sounds awful. confused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB9oxZzA4zg&feature=youtu.be


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672262
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He's such a big supporter of Romney that he changed his name to Mittloaf.

Re: Election 2012 [Re: Giancarlo] #672311
10/26/12 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Is his ego that big?


To quote Trump himself "It's Huge!" lol


LMAO, that's funny. I'm still laffing. smile smile smile


You gonna finish that?
Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672324
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I don't know who will win the election. There are of course honorable legitimate reasons to vote for either major party candidate. But this election also shows a look into the ugly id of some people like John Sununu.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/1...bama/?mobile=nc

It is laughable that someone who was born in Cuba feels so comfortable questioning the legitimacy and patriotism of someone who was born in the US. Now Sununu is claiming that the only reason Powell endorsed Obama is that they're both black. This is ugly reptillian brain stuff. But it also shows you how Sununu thinks. The logical next question then to Sununu (and anyone who shares that thinking) is since all the past Presidents have been white was that the only reason that Sununu endorsed them? If Sununu says yes then at least he's honest. If he would say no (as I suspect he would) then of course he's saying something about how he views black people.

Then you have Trump and his obsession with President Obama's grades. "See you only got a B+ in this class so that means you're unqualified and must be impeached!!!!".

And the less said about Palin the better.
The f*****d up thing is that although the President may well lose the election and thus remove the proximate cause of this particular conservative racial primal scream, there are of course millions of people who think like Sununu, Trump and others and they remain safely ensconced in positions of authority in businesses and colleges and government offices across the US. So it goes.


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Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672326
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Actually having read what Powell said, when he roasted Mittens over that Foreign Policy debate (where he lamely promoted that bold Kerry-esque FP policy of "Me Too!"), I wouldn't be shocked if Powell considered at one point just to stay quiet and private.

I hate Dubya, or more specfically what that administration and era did to our country. Thankfully there was China to pay for Iraq/Afghanistan and in exchange owning our debt generations down the line. Good job fiscal conservatives.

But I've always been fond of Powell, or at least times I've detected some sort of conscience, not the mindlessness that dominated that administration. In a fairer world, he should've been President and a good one at that perhaps even. But the world aint fair, and he got locked out of power and influence in the WH by Cheney and Rumsfeld.

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Romney Campaign Exaggerates Size Of Nevada Event With Altered Image

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-campaign-appears-to-exaggerate-size-of-neva

Re: Election 2012 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #672328
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Powell probably could have become the first black President..and a Republican. Back in 1996 there were polls showing him more popular than Clinton, but his heart wasn't in it.

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